urrghhh vinyl stick tiles

princelake · 03-08-2012, 07:23 AM

i took on a side job laying subfloor down and then laying peel and stick cause i thought it'd be a breeze and some quick cash. im learning now what a nightmare! i layed 400sqft of the peel and stick and i left it with 80-90 degree heat going so the glue would be nice and soft and just melt down. wrong! i popped in to see how the floor looks and F****K! about a 1/4 of them are peeling up on them a bit with zero traffic on them. can i add some contact cement to the nonsticking tiles? or another adhesive? i did a search on here and i see lots of "stir clear of peel and stick" but no answers! im not starting over and putting something else down at this point! can someone give a suggestion?

DangerMouse · 03-08-2012, 08:06 AM

Peeling up as in curling edges? Can you shoot us some photos?

DM

rusty baker · 03-08-2012, 08:14 AM

You can use clear thin spread adhesive, same stuff used on commercial tile. But you will need to take up the tiles that didn't stick, because this adhesive must dry to the touch before any tile is installed on it.

**oh'mike** · 03-08-2012, 08:17 AM

I don't have an answer---just the likely causes----

did you use Luan ply? that product often contains resins the prevent proper bonding--

Did you paint on a latex bond enhancer before you started? Sticky tape needs a smooth ,dust free surface---bond enhancer will provide that---(even helps seal in the resins in Luan ply)

framer52 · 03-08-2012, 08:22 AM

I have found this problem in the past and have found that it takes a couple of days for the ones not sticking to finally adhere....

Strange but it seems to be the answer to wait a couple of days and then use a vinyl tile adhesive on the ones not sticking.

I hope you charged enough to keep track of it for about a week. Stupid, but it seems the current bunch of peel and stick doesn't adhere as well as in the past. i remember it used to stick to anything.....

princelake · 03-08-2012, 08:25 PM

i went to the flooring place where i got the tile and they told me to use this multiply purpose glue of some sort and i tried it and it was not working so i called a flooring installer thats been in the business almost 40years and was like what the heck just buy all purpose vinyl glue and it'll hold so im gonna do that this weekend. fingers crossed!

framer52 · 03-08-2012, 08:37 PM

Didn't I tell you already to do that??

JazMan · 03-08-2012, 08:45 PM

Self stick adhesive is pressure sensitive and so needs traffic to bond properly. If the tiles were sticky and the floor smooth and dust-free, you need NO more adhesive. We still don't know what you set the tile over. 80-90 degrees? What were you thinking?

You do NOT use all purpose for vinyl tile. All purpose is for sheet vinyl. Spread it, lay it, roll the air out of it. Done. You do not wanna lay tile like that. Could take you a few weeks to do.

Jaz

framer52 · 03-08-2012, 08:47 PM

while that is true, i was referring to some not all of the floor not sticking.

I agree about the traffic, except I have had a similar problem last month and found a work around as we are all familiar with.

By the way, the only time I use them are on rental property and I detest using them, but money is money.

princelake · 03-09-2012, 09:15 PM

yes yes you did tell me framer52. this weekend i'll be fixing it up so we'll see how she goes

**oh'mike** · 03-09-2012, 09:18 PM

So what did you use as an underlayment?

joecaption · 03-09-2012, 09:31 PM

One of the many reasons if someone wants me to install peel and stick I say no thank you.
Mike has asked you many times what the under laymant was and no reply.
For it to have a chance in heck to stay stuck it needed to be 1/4 underlayment rated plywood not louon.

princelake · 03-09-2012, 09:53 PM

3/8" ply good one side

JetSwet · 03-09-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princelake

3/8" ply good one side

Sanded or non sanded?

princelake · 03-10-2012, 04:20 PM

nonsanded