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Old 08-09-2011, 01:09 AM   #91
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We are installing Trafficmaster Allure Ultra planks in a living and dining room that has a step down from the dining to livingroom. I can't seem to find a product to use on the edge of the step. Both parts of the step would be covered in the Allure Ultra floor planks. Any suggestions of what to use? Color is the Vintage Oak Cinnamon.

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Old 08-11-2011, 11:59 AM   #92
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I'm just starting the research part of our flooring project... please bear with me I have a *lot* of questions!

We live in a home that was built in 2003, and had the cheapest builder flooring installed. We have four different flooring types - carpet, sheet vinyl, ceramic tile and something they call "engineered wood". From what I understand it's very thin strips of real wood, maple in our case, glued to the same base as a laminate floor.

The only areas of the floor that are not having trouble is the vinyl sheet. The carpet is stained and worn, the tile grout is dirty and cannot be cleaned, and the wood has been grooved to death by our dog's nails (two 35 lb Shelties). My plan is to replace every bit of flooring in the house with something more durable, and right now Allure Ultra is looking like a good choice.

I don't know what the subfloors are made of. The second floor is probably some sort of wood, the first floor could be concrete. There is no basement. There should not be a moisture problem, even though we're in Western Oregon aka The Land of Rain, because there's a large crawl space under the entire house.

I have come to Allure Ultra via a process of elimination. We can't do hardwood or carpet because of the pets (2 dogs, 4 cats). I *hate* ceramic tile. From what I have read, we would have to spend more than we can afford to get a laminate sturdy enough that the dogs would not easily scratch it, and it tends to be cold, hard and slippery. The slightly textured vinyl Allure seems like a good product for us. I know there are some horror stories here, but there are some about every type of flooring, so I'm trying not to let them scare me away just yet.

I found out about Allure because I know two people who have used the sticky kind and love it. That is clearly a pretty temperamental product, and it's either going to work for you or not, with no apparent rhyme or reason. I'm hoping the Ultra will be both sturdier and a little more reliable. Still, whatever we use we will do just one room initially and see how it holds up.

Ok, my questions (the first batch, anyway), in totally random order:

- what do you do for the stairs? I have read that it's not recommended for stairs, and someone in this thread said they tried it and it was very slippery. But carpeted stairs would look odd, I would think.
- how bad is the color mis-match between runs? As I said, we want to do one room first to see how it does, and I don't think we can afford to buy 2000+ square feet of the stuff all at once anyway.
- the engineered wood in the kitchen was laid before the cabinets and appliances were put in, so we will have to cut it out. Any suggestions on how best to do this?
- I understand that you remove the baseboards, lay the Allure Ultra 1/8" away from the sheetrock, and then replace the baseboards. What do you along a sliding glass door or other place where there is no baseboard?
- how difficult is it to replace a damaged plank? This is another of the drawbacks with laminate, if the dogs did make a bad scratch it would be almost impossible to replace.
- is there a quality (or any other) difference between the in-stock colors and the special-order colors? Or between the colors that are $2.97/sq ft and those that are $3.27?
- my local Lowe's carries a similar product from Armstrong, but it's not on their website. Has anyone else seen this product and compared it to Allure Ultra?
- I have read the installation instructions from Home Depot that someone kindly posted here, but there is still a lot I don't understand. I imagine that you want to keep all the planks in the house going in the same direction generally, but it also seems like there would be times you would want to do it the other way (bathrooms, closets) to avoid working with a million tiny pieces. Is there a good reference out there to learn about the basics of flooring installation, the stuff that's not specific to this product?
- everyone seems to find it difficult to cut with a utility knife - is there a reason to not use an electric chop saw?
- last but not least - is there another product I should consider for this project?

Thanks in advance to anyone who wades through this and responds!
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With 2 dogs and 4 cats, no flooring will last more than a few years. The animals will scratch the allure ultra. Whoever installed the ceramic, probably did not seal the grout. A pro can fix the grout problem. Felt backed sheet vinyl is the product that will last longest with your pets.
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With 2 dogs and 4 cats, no flooring will last more than a few years. The animals will scratch the allure ultra. Whoever installed the ceramic, probably did not seal the grout. A pro can fix the grout problem. Felt backed sheet vinyl is the product that will last longest with your pets.
I'm sure you're right, but I don't want the whole house to look like a bathroom! I'm not looking for 100% scratch-free, but I don't want to repeat the deep grooves they have made in the engineered wood. That product is too soft, apparently. It seemed like Allure would show the scratches less than laminate, since there's no smooth shiny surface to be broken through.

FWIW, I ordered some samples from Home Depot and just took a ballpoint pen to one of them - I was not able to scratch it at all. I will try again at some point with a key; I haven't found a laminate sample yet that I could not scratch with a key.

I'd still love to have answers to my other questions if anyone has the time!
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So, I guess the question after reading this thread--has anyone NOT had a hard time with this product?

I am looking to install in my basement (I need something waterproof, just in case)...

I really like the look of the product, and its warranty, but I do not wan tot have to pull up and reinstall multiple times--I am looking at over 900 sf, and will have a pool table reinstalled over it (making it impossible to pull up and re-install) once it is down...
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I'm eyeballing the Armstrong product and looking into others at this point. Mu HD had an open box and I tried to put a few pieces together and it was a PIA IMO. Not to mention I just feel like it has a very unnatural shine to it. So my quest for the right flooring continues.
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Anyone used the Lowe's "Swiftlock" product--it looks very similar to the Allure Ultra, but appears ot have a better interlock system?
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janiner, you and I seem to have the same situation with pets. We had porcelain tile installed in most of the house. I used http://www.amazon.com/StoneTech-BPSS...ev_itm_title_2 to seal the light colored grout. It was a pain to apply, but seems to be holding up very well so far. We're using the Trafficmaster Allure Ultra for the dining and living rooms. It's being installed right now.

This product is very hard to damage. I tried gouging a sample with a key and had to use a lot of strength to even make a mark on it. I think it will be fine with my dogs. Keeping their nails trimmed will probably also help. I'm impressed with the surface and I love the way it looks. If you're concerned, get a sample of buy a single plank and see if you can damage it. I think you'll be impressed.

We had stairs to consider also. We finally decided to leave them carpeted. The carpeting is an off-white color and the porcelain tile in the entryway where they're located is light, so they don't really look out of place. We considered the noise (echo) of putting tile on them and the fact that they would be more slippery. Our installer said that it was a pain to put tile on stairs. The trim pieces for the edges of the stairs was VERY expensive. That must be how tile suppliers make their money, on the trim pieces.

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I'm sure you're right, but I don't want the whole house to look like a bathroom! !
There are some IVC wood grain sheet vinyls that look real.
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So, I guess the question after reading this thread--has anyone NOT had a hard time with this product?

I am looking to install in my basement (I need something waterproof, just in case)...

I really like the look of the product, and its warranty, but I do not wan tot have to pull up and reinstall multiple times--I am looking at over 900 sf, and will have a pool table reinstalled over it (making it impossible to pull up and re-install) once it is down...
Same here (pool table) I am going to install a sub floor first, prob. Tyroc.
Only want to do it once.
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We had someone install ours in a dining room over a concrete slab floor. He didn't seem to have any problem putting it in. He used a power saw to cut it since we have bay windows and a few weird angles. We didn't put in any sub flooring in. I'm amazed at how much this looks like wood.

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With all the grinding and prep work I've done I would be really if the top finished floor failed me! Thanks to all posters.
I'm still not sure what product to go with.
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I installed Allure Traffic master flooring in my basement because it looked good and was advertised as waterproof and easy to install.

The install was easy when compared to laying tile, but it was still work. Those planks dont break as easy as they say.

My basement does get water when we get bad rain (crack in my foundation I think) so the floor began to pop up. But guess what, it started doing this before it got wet and in areas where there was no water.

So, after a year of dealing with it and being angry I am in the process of taking it all up and laying tile. I already did one half of my basement with slate. Wish I did this from the start.

In my opinion: Allure seems easier and in some cases cheaper than tile, but in the end....you get what you pay for.
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I installed Allure Traffic master flooring in my basement because it looked good and was advertised as waterproof and easy to install.

The install was easy when compared to laying tile, but it was still work. Those planks dont break as easy as they say.

My basement does get water when we get bad rain (crack in my foundation I think) so the floor began to pop up. But guess what, it started doing this before it got wet and in areas where there was no water.

So, after a year of dealing with it and being angry I am in the process of taking it all up and laying tile. I already did one half of my basement with slate. Wish I did this from the start.

In my opinion: Allure seems easier and in some cases cheaper than tile, but in the end....you get what you pay for.
Cracks / water UNDER tiles = popped tiles. Be careful!
Fix that first.

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