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frskelly 09-07-2007 11:23 PM

Tiling over sheet vinyl
 
This may or may not have been asked before (new here) so forgive me. My home was built in 1974 and has the original sheet vinyl type flooring throughout. I am putting laminate throughout the house with tile in the bathrooms. Can you tile over the vinyl flooring? If you must put cement board down, hom do you fasten it to a concrete slab under the vinyl? I am hesitant to remove the vinyl because of possible asbestos concerns. Everything I have read states that some flooring products from that era may contain asbestos.

troubleseeker 09-08-2007 02:58 PM

You can tile over the vinyl if it is still all bonded securely, but you won't find many, myself included, who will recommend it. Get a $30 respirator and a floor scraper from the local big box and remove the vinyl so you can bond to clean cement. You and everyone in your neighborhood will not die because you removed the vinyl from a couple of 5 x 9 bathrooms in your house. To lay over the vinyl, it must be sanded pretty aggressively for bonding, and this will cause lots more airborne asbestos than cutting through it with a razor knife and scrapping it up.

JazMan 09-08-2007 06:26 PM

It's always best to remove it. For those that might be thinking of going over sheet vinyl, you can theoretically only do this if it's not a cushioned type. When asked , everyone insists their floor is not cushioned. However, many if not most are. People equate 'cushioned' to carpet I guess?

It's sometime hard to tell the difference. A few tips to determine if a sheet vinyl is cushioned: If the material is wider than 6", it's cushioned. If the pattern looks like it is printed, it's cushioned. If you can press your nail and it leaves a small indentation which slowly disappears, it's cushioned. If you can take a scrap piece and it seams to flex easily, it's cushioned.

In addition, many cushioned and some non-cushioned floor many have been installed using the perime-floor method which is glued only at the perimeter of each piece. No way to know just by looking at the floor.

The only sheet vinyl one could possibly go over, with proper preparations, is the vinyl inlaid type. These come in 6' widths only, and the pattern is made by arranging thousands of tiny vinyl granules of various colors into the desired pattern. One such type is/was Armstrong's Designer Solarium. On the other hand their Designer Solarium II would not fit the bill, since it was only perimeter glued.

Jaz

frskelly 09-08-2007 08:24 PM

OK I'm game for pulling it up. I'll just have to see if the wife will authorize it. :whistling2:

Big Bob 09-08-2007 08:36 PM

Built '74.... Vinyl flooring & mastic asbestos concern... remote chance.
Most manufactures geared up for change in '73.

If sheet goods are stuck really well it might be ok to c-tile over. (Some folks will even recommend it) Is sub floor slab on grade?

2 schools of thought here and both think they are the only ones right.

frskelly 09-10-2007 09:04 AM

Yes, on grade.

Josie Lee 11-07-2011 05:55 PM

Tiling over sheet vinyl
 
Thank you to JazMan for such a thorough response. I didn't
even have to read further and his response provided everything
I needed. J Lee:thumbsup:

rusty baker 11-07-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Bob (Post 62001)
Built '74.... Vinyl flooring & mastic asbestos concern... remote chance.
Most manufactures geared up for change in '73.

Actually not true. Vinyl with asbestos was sold into the 80's and some thought is maybe into the early 90's. They were allowed to sell all existing stock.

jimmy21 11-07-2011 10:34 PM

Get your floor damp with a squirt bottle and rip it up and put a fan blowing out the window. Then just try not to make too much dust. People have health issues from asbestos from being around it everyday. Tearing out one floor and being careful about it won't cause any health risk. Just don't tell the building department.

Josie Lee 11-07-2011 10:54 PM

Tiling over sheet vinyl
 
Thanks. I was not the person with the asbestos problem...I was
searching for info regarding whether Solarium II was perimeter glued or
otherwise. Thanks for your concern and reply.


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