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Old 06-22-2008, 02:59 PM   #31
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"I'm not going to read all that stuff but maybe you should stay with giving advice on paint and not tile which you have little knowledge of."

"Obviously you intend to write endless comments and that's your choice but frankly until the questions are asked - no one really cares how much you think you know."

Why the put-downs? What'd I say to you?

You seem to be very anxious to criticize me, my friend.


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Old 06-22-2008, 03:20 PM   #32
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What I am anxious to do is to see to it that the general public that comes to these websites for information and help with their projects gets the best and most accurate information available to them. Not shoot-from-the-hip-look-at-me-I'm-a-property-owner information but genuine (if not expert) information that comes from genuine specifications of manufacturers and code books.

I'm not putting you down but I'm also not buying into your ego. Long-winded talks about what you know about aren't helpful to anyone if no one has a need to know that information. You ("my friend") are burgeoning over with arrogance.

I don't beat around the bush, I say it like it is. I don't waste everyone's time with niceties and baloney. Everyone knows exactly where I stand from the git go. If you can't take a little constructive criticism that's not my problem. I WILL NOT allow you to post bogus information without my countering your fraudulence.

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You seem to be saying that I know nothing about floor tiling since I admitted freely that all my tiling experience was with wall tiles. There is a great deal of overlap in knowledge between setting tiles on a wall and a floor.
THAT'S exactly what I am saying. Make no mistake about it!
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Old 06-22-2008, 03:53 PM   #33
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On the topic of laying tile over tile... if I may be permitted a brief moment...

I, against my better judgement, helped someone do this. They were a friend, and didn't listen to a word I said. And the whole thing turned out... well, predictably bad. Thank god, all I did was help them measure and cut the tile, and had no other part in the project. When his wife started beating him, I was immune.

1) Tile laid over tile leaves a difference in floor heights between the tiled areas and everything else that looks crappy. No other way to put it. and the transition ends up sticking up high enough to truly trip over.

2) The tile job he tiled over, while it was not cracking, and seemed to have no adhesion problems at all (was actually in really good shape, was just a style the previously-mentioned wife didn't like) was probably put down by a DIYer. The tiles did not lay perfectly flat and level. It took close inspection to see it, but it was there.

The tiles his wife liked were those huge ones you can get at HD on clearance for about a buck apeice.

I have seen this done, successfully... by an actual pro. (Bud you might know what the name for this is.) The guy spread a thin lay of cement... thicker than your average layer of thinset... and set the tiles in that. Worked great. Looked like a pain in the butt to do. But allowed tiles to be set in a not completely level surface

My buddy didn't do all that. Used the typical thinset you get at HD, laid those big tiles right over the old, non-level ones.

It was cracking and looking like crap in under two months.

And we ended up demo'ing TWO layers of tiles to do it over. Sometimes I hate it when I am right.

The point to all this? The pros on here are actually giving really good advice in this case. I am not one myself, and wouldn't even try to claim to be. BUT... common sense should tell you that they are trying to give good general advice to keep people like my friend from making huge, time consuming, expensive mistakes. They can't do anything else. Without LOOKING at the actual floor, what else could they have said?

Personal experience says: no way will I ever be a part of a mess like that again!
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:08 PM   #34
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What I am anxious to do is to see to it that the general public that comes to these websites for information and help with their projects gets the best and most accurate information available to them.
That's exactly what you should be doing.

But I believe it's possible to do that without offending anyone.
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:10 PM   #35
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Now that you brought it up.....

Home Depot is notorious ( as are all the major home centers) for their workers giving out really bad information. Very few of them are in fact the experts that the companies portray them as being. A lot of them were super-sizing meal deals a week before they began work there.

I have seen hundreds of cases where one of those apron-ed experts gave someone advice and a job failed or they sold them the wrong products and created a catastrophe for the DIYer. Maybe you should consider contacting the Webmaster here and changing that User Name to something a little more less offending.




I didn't see this earlier. Where do I start? When Home Depot hires for flooring they mostly get somebody who has done some work in flooring, be it an ex installer, salesperson, even a helper. Sometimes they move people from other departments who they fell will pick up knowledge well. They do not take people who were flipping burgers and hire them. That is just insulting.

Sure misinformation is spread. I've probably done it myself. But I've met many contractors who have done the same thing, such as "I always add acrylic to your grout". "I don't need a power stretcher, I can out kick it anyday". "Actually, the customblend despite its price, is a better quality than those other thinsets". "What do you mean I can't use versabond on 18" tile? I always use it". "I add a glue into the laminate, cos I don't trust the click lock". "I use liquid nails to hold down the hardiboard". "I need thinset under the hardiboard? Bullsh!t".

But Home Depot is just an easy target right? Never mind how much money the company has paid customers to fix the misinformation put out by the associate.

One time a "qualified vinyl installer" came in screaming for a manager. One of our associates cut him 32 square yards of vinyl that was looselay or glass tape install only. He glued it down. Although the associate never told him to glue it down, he didn't stop him from walking out with a 3 1/2 gallon bucket of vinyl adhesive. We marked down over $300 of product. No, we didn't give him the labor, as this vinyl was so obviously different from full spread vinyl, that if he was as qualified as he'd made out he would have picked up on the difference.

The company, is finally realizing that if they make a mistake and they give the customer all the money and labor back, then give them compensation and a free steak dinner and a hotel room, that the customer still turns around and bad mouths them on internet sites anyway, so what is the point?

I won't be changing my user name, even though I rushed it and left myself open to criticism, I have had 8 good years there and worked with some great people and some idiots too. I still install carpet, just not the large hotel jobs, just the residential.

I'll try not to bad mouth the "drunk" contractors if contractors don't badmouth the "minimum wage Wal-Mart rejects", or the same to the DIYers, if they stay nice, I'll try not to talk about the DIYer that rolled out 2 rolls of pad and then went to the trouble of turning it all upside down, laid out his carpet and got relly cheesed off after he'd ripped the 5th piece if pad after trying to slide the carpet on it like he saw on the home improvement show.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:45 AM   #36
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And on the subject of Home Depot and/or Lowes.....

As a DIYer, I have run into some good, and some bad advice at both of the Big Boxes. I have a particular HD I like to go to just becausae the staff there IS decently knowledable about most general home repair. (And the ladies working in the garden center are OUTSTANDING, mush better that many of the other businesses here.)

But honestly now, is it really a sales associate's job to tell me how to work on my house? In general, I would argue that it is MY job to know what I would need, and how I would do a project, before I ever show up at the store.

What I DO like from HD employees is when they: A) know how to find some obscure item I am looking for, B) let me know what other customers have thought about something I am thinking about buying.

I don't expect the guy down at TruValue to know how to do everything with everything he sells in his store, how could I expect it from the HD guy?

BUT... I do sort of wish some of the ones that really have no clue what they are talking about (i.e. have never actually done the job they are trying to describe) would say nothing at all. But maybe that is because I am easily confused.
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Good points Kitty. Remember though, HomeDepot associates are told to ask questions to make sure we don't forget to sell something. Nothing like getting home and finding you were missing some caulk or tape. You won't drive past a true-value or an ace to go to Home Depot for it and we just lost a sale on a high margin item.
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:04 PM   #38
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To answer Jazzman from another thread. The contractors were customers of Home Depot, not employees. Employees had better do a good job because customers will complain to Home Depot about them and they will be fired!!!

But nice try though

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