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digitalplumber 11-05-2012 01:40 PM

Tile patchwork?????
 
Had a shower pan crack and leak, now I am wondering if you think I can patch this all the way around, along with a Kerdi floor?

http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/...r/PICT0030.jpg

Basically the wall to the left and the wall straight ahead lost 2 rows of tile and the wall on the right lost 3.

I was thinking instead of going back with 1/2 rock and 1/2 in hardibacker, I would do 1/2 rock and 1/4 inch hardibacker, so that I could use Kerdi on the floor and up the walls 2 rows.

Comments?

DannyT 11-05-2012 07:02 PM

i would rip all that drywall out and do it right.

digitalplumber 11-05-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyT
i would rip all that drywall out and do it right.

Are you talking about the right side, or the whole shower?

DannyT 11-05-2012 08:05 PM

i would take all of the drywall out of the shower. that's the way they used to do it tho, with no waterproofing whatsoever. i don't know how many showers and tubs i have torn out over the years like that. most didn't know they had a problem til they leaned on the wall a little hard and it caved in. if you just want a quick fix for a short time you can anything you want. if you plan to stay there for a while tear it all out and do it right. putting kerdi around the bottom will work there but there is nothing behind the rest of the tile except drywall, correct? you can tell from the rusted nails that there has been moisture back there. the good side is if you plan to use kerdi on the walls you can use regular drywall. if you patch the wall make the seam under the middle of a tile. if its under a grout joint the water coming through the grout joint will have an easy path into the wall.

digitalplumber 11-05-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyT (Post 1045604)
i would take all of the drywall out of the shower. that's the way they used to do it tho, with no waterproofing whatsoever. i don't know how many showers and tubs i have torn out over the years like that. most didn't know they had a problem til they leaned on the wall a little hard and it caved in. if you just want a quick fix for a short time you can anything you want. if you plan to stay there for a while tear it all out and do it right. putting kerdi around the bottom will work there but there is nothing behind the rest of the tile except drywall, correct? you can tell from the rusted nails that there has been moisture back there. the good side is if you plan to use kerdi on the walls you can use regular drywall. if you patch the wall make the seam under the middle of a tile. if its under a grout joint the water coming through the grout joint will have an easy path into the wall.


No actually the walls are 1/2 inch sheetrock and 1/2 inc Hardibacker.

oh'mike 11-05-2012 08:21 PM

Peal off a row or two of tile---we need to see if the backer board is still sound---
-and you will need to have the seam under the tile--and taped --with thinset and tilers mesh.

digitalplumber 11-05-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 1045612)
Peal off a row or two of tile---we need to see if the backer board is still sound---
-and you will need to have the seam under the tile--and taped --with thinset and tilers mesh.


OK, but I can tell you its solid.

JazMan 11-05-2012 09:27 PM

We do not repair showers that were built using wallboard. You'd have to remove more tiles exposing at least one row of good wallboard in order to do a half-*ss job. But then what would you replace the tiles with? Nothing is gonna match, waste of time and money.

Jaz

digitalplumber 11-05-2012 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazMan
We do not repair showers that were built using wallboard. You'd have to remove more tiles exposing at least one row of good wallboard in order to do a half-*ss job. But then what would you replace the tiles with? Nothing is gonna match, waste of time and money.

Jaz

Thanks! Makes sense even though it is hardi over wallboard

digitalplumber 11-06-2012 07:32 AM

OK so whats the tip for removing these 8 foot walls of tile, hardibacker and sheetrock?


Thanks

oh'mike 11-06-2012 07:55 AM

Peal off the outside row of tiles----
and the top row---make a shallow saw cut at the nearest stud-
--bang a hand grip hole through the tile work--
-and pull off the entire wall in one hard pull.

RWCustom 11-07-2012 02:43 AM

Yeah, that looks like 4 1/4" x 4 1/4" tile so you can pop off the 2x6 trim and then use a sheetrock saw pressed up against the field tile to cut through everything. When you hit a stud just jump it and go back with a utility knife and deeply score it, then bust a handhold into the field tile somewhere and tear out the whole wall in one shot. You can then break the wall into smaller chunks as needed to make removal and disposal easier.

What are your plans for replacing the shower?

Are you a professional tile installer that is trained to properly install a "mud pan" shower? This is a rather significant undertaking that is not really a DIY project. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that I've seen significantly more DIY failures than successes regarding this type of project.

If you are planning on trying to tackle this project yourself what are the steps, materials, tools, and installation methods you will take to turn this problem into a success?

digitalplumber 11-07-2012 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RWCustom (Post 1046437)
Yeah, that looks like 4 1/4" x 4 1/4" tile so you can pop off the 2x6 trim and then use a sheetrock saw pressed up against the field tile to cut through everything. When you hit a stud just jump it and go back with a utility knife and deeply score it, then bust a handhold into the field tile somewhere and tear out the whole wall in one shot. You can then break the wall into smaller chunks as needed to make removal and disposal easier.

What are your plans for replacing the shower?

Are you a professional tile installer that is trained to properly install a "mud pan" shower? This is a rather significant undertaking that is not really a DIY project. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that I've seen significantly more DIY failures than successes regarding this type of project.

If you are planning on trying to tackle this project yourself what are the steps, materials, tools, and installation methods you will take to turn this problem into a success?


My plans, are to use the Kerdi Shower System-Kit. Above average DIYER.

Thanks


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