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B Parker 03-25-2008 02:02 PM

Tile over very old laminate secured to concrete?
 
Just had a disastrous walk-out basement flood here in southern Indiana, about a week ago when we got the Noah's Ark style flooding.
In my carpeted basement, no less.
My question: I have a concrete basement floor with very old laminate adhered to it in one room, and something that resembles concrete tile squares (decorative) in another room of the basement.
About 1-1/2 year ago, I tiled the entryway of the room with the laminate. It was almost impossible to chip this laminate flooring up with a flat bar and a hammer and took forever to clear a space 6x4 ft wide, with concrete coming up with the lino. This stuff is from the 70's, has no spring to it whatsoever, entirely flat.
Will tile hold up going right over this stuff?
The square tiles seem like they may have some concrete / asbestos in them, don't really know.
Anyone with any experience with what this seems to be and whether or not it's advisable to tile over?
Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill_Vincent 03-26-2008 08:23 PM

If you go to a local tool rental place, you should be able to rent a power vinyl scraper, which would make short work of the vinyl tile. If you're going to install ceramic, I would not go over the vinyl.

dec-conc-artisan 03-26-2008 09:42 PM

just in case you think,,,
 
this might happen again, you could always remove everything down to bare concrete & have it acid-stained or overlayed,,, pet, kid, & FLOOD proof flooring,,, if you want warm tootsies, get a throw rug !

MattCoops 03-27-2008 12:35 PM

Definitely remove the vinyl all the way to bear concrete before installing new floor covering. Think they are asbestos? What size are the tiles?

Acid-stained concrete looks great in commercial settings. But I don't think it looks too "homey". Maybe in an uptown loft, but not a contemporary home.

B Parker 03-27-2008 01:09 PM

They are 12x12, after doing some research that seems to limit the production of asbestos floor tiles to the pre-50's era, I think I'm alright removing these. The house was built in 1972.
The house boss has already nixed the acid stain idea, she was with you on the lack of "warmth".

dec-conc-artisan 03-27-2008 02:07 PM

its a mention due to probably,,,
 
future flooding & well-worthy of consideration,,, i won't get the work but, sure as ****, hindsight's 20-20.

B Parker 03-27-2008 02:35 PM

Been there years never saw a drop before the 8"-12' of rain in 24 hours.
Digging to put drain tiles in around foundation just to be sure though.
Ceramic tile would have handled the water alot better than my year and half old (new) carpet.
Are there caveats about ceramic tile getiing wet that I'm unaware of?

B Parker 03-27-2008 02:36 PM

I have asked for a ballpark figure on this (acid staining) just out of curiosity, from a company in Louisville, Ky.
Still awaiting reply.

Bud Cline 03-27-2008 04:51 PM

VCT containing asbestos was sold into the early '80's.:)

B Parker 03-27-2008 05:55 PM

Yeah, I found a website with pics of the tile, looks like it might have some in it

B Parker 03-29-2008 09:13 AM

Bud, do you guys remove stuff like this? Or do I need to get a full blown hazmat team in suits and respirators? :-)

Bud Cline 03-29-2008 12:29 PM

We remove it. There are basic rules to follow and state laws govern who can and who can't but usually a homeowner can do the work himself.

You can't grind it and you can't sand it. Remove it in as big of pieces as are possible.

Here no one pays any attention to homeowners doing this type of demolition and throwing it in the trash. That may not be a good thing.

If we declare it on a commercial job the removal area must be cordoned off. Air handlers with HEPA filters must be used to cleanse the air.
The debris must be sealed in plastic bags that are labeled for the contents.
The bagged material must then be placed into plastic drums.
Used HEPA filters must also be bagged and drummed.
The waste disposal company then gets involved and they handle it from that point.
They pick it up and deliver it to the landfill for disposal in a flagged and designated area.
The debris remains the property of the demolition site owner in the event it ever has to be relocated.

So you see? You don't want to get anybody involved that you don't have to by law.

dec-conc-artisan 03-29-2008 02:33 PM

'zactly right,,,
 
the h/o 'cros the st demo'd his own siding,,, we had to call a cert'd hazmat team.

B Parker 03-30-2008 02:15 PM

That's about the angle I was planning on taking, (Diy), I used to climb around in attics blowing insulation over old stuff, sure I've ingested my share of hazmat. Thanks for the input, you guys are very helpful all over this site.


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