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Old 04-19-2010, 08:03 AM   #1
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Tile first or cupboards first???


We are remodeling and I was wondering what everyone thinks the proper order should be when installing a tile floor and new cupboards.
We will be gutting the kitchen and taking up our wood floor to put in tile. Under the tile I will have electric radiant heat and ditra. Should I have all the put in first or have the cupboards put in first and then the tile? Thanks.

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Old 04-22-2010, 02:58 PM   #2
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We generally recommend installing under the cabinets, if not entirely under then at least under the perimeter. The problem with installing the tile around the cabinets is that it never looks as good.

The only disadvantage of installing tile under the cabinets is the added height.

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What happens if a tile breaks and you have to replace the tile but a bunch of it is under the cabinet?
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What do you do in a few years when you want to replace the floor, but not the cabinets?

This question has been asked many times and everyone has a different opinion.
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What do you do in a few years when you want to replace the floor, but not the cabinets?
We've done it, it's a nightmare and isn't a very pleasant rip out, but can be done.

At the end of the day it's the customers decision but I do my best to help them recognize that a tile floor should be approached as a permanent floor covering option that isn't easy or inexpensive to replace. Typically speaking when a tile floor is installed over ditra the installed price will be upwards of $15 a foot. That's an expensive floor to replace down the road.

Like you said though, it's a question that will be asked many times and everyone will have a different opinion.
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I guess I have to ask why it would not look as good if you put it in later, after the cabinets? Sure, there would be cuts but if they are done right the toe kick should cover them shouldn't they?
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What happens if a tile breaks and you have to replace the tile but a bunch of it is under the cabinet?
Then you'll have to chip it out carefully, we've done it and it isn't easy, but can be done.

If you install your tile properly, to Schluter's specifications (i.e. modified thinset if you're bonding the Ditra to plywood, and unmodified to bond the tile to the Ditra) and use the correct trowel size, and make sure that your substrate is suitable for tile installation then you should have no issues with "cracking" tiles.

In my experience almost any tile installed properly in a residential setting will be extremely difficult to break.
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I guess I have to ask why it would not look as good if you put it in later, after the cabinets? Sure, there would be cuts but if they are done right the toe kick should cover them shouldn't they?
Sounds like you may have decided what you'll do

If you've got a good wet saw and do a good job cutting your tile it will look fine. I've always preferred seeing the tile go under the cabinets, but that's just one man's opinion
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I think I am going to have a professional do this one.

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