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Old 01-22-2013, 09:28 PM   #826
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Update on my installation...

I had a professional floor guy lay mine down since my back and knees are now shot. He hand rolled each plank as he was laying it and when he was done he went over the floor 4 times in two directions. The materials had been in the house in the rooms that they were to be installed for four weeks. (Properly brought to temperature)
The temps outside were in the fifties with relative humidity around 40%
The temps in the house were steady at 68f.

This was on the main floor living room and kitchen.

Looks beautiful. Smells fine (very light vinyl smell). Went down nicely with no issues.







The next day was sunny with temps in the 60's outside. Inside it rose to 70.

Then they started to appear. Pops in the seams. Usually close to ends of the planks. I called the flooring installer who came over immediately. He used my heat gun to warm the seams and re-rolled them. Of the 30 or so pops over the ~450 sq feet we installed, about half of them stayed down for more than 24 hours. The rest re-popped the next day along with some new ones. I bought two large Gorilla Glue brand Super-Glue (yes cyanoacrylate) and glued down the pops as they came up and hand rolled the planks. I chased the pops (roughly 100 in total) for the next two weeks on a daily basis. Once glued down, the pops did not re-appear. I put a green tape tab by each one so I could track them. After two weeks of this, there were no more issues and the floor remains beautiful.

A word about the subfloor. The floor was almost 100 year old maple hard wood which was not in the best of shape. Cupping in places and not very even, but within the tolerances that trafficmaster had advised in their documentation and via telephone call to the parent company for support. The kitchen was over a poured vinyl flooring which was poured (and well adhered) to 1" thick MDF which was laid over 3/4" pine / fir.. The kitchen floor had a slight peak in the center (1/4" over 12').

Would I used Allure again? Yes. For the money it is the absolute best bang for the buck...

But
I would only. Use it again if I was able to get the floor much more flat. In retrospect, I should have sanded the maple floor down - however - I was out of time and money and needed to get this house on the market.

There's my review. I hope it helps someone out there....

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Old 02-05-2013, 03:47 PM   #827
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I have installed the Allure that looks like tile in my kitchen and breakfast room. Really wanted to go with sheet vinyl, but could not find the right color. The Allure was the perfect color. So install it I did. I like the finished product. It is not perfect, and I would deem it almost impossible to install without seeing a little black line at some of the seams. The problem in my rooms were where I had to "back up" during the install. You need to start from the "bottom right" looking at your room from above. You add tiles to the left and then above, and move right along. I had a couple of areas that I need to add to the right (doorway from garage) and backwards (pantry), which are difficult. Just not a good way to do it. Before you start, you will of course have to remove the 1/4 round or shoe molding so that you can cover the end of the planks.

All in all it is a positive experience so far. It's been in for about 7 months. Still looks good. I did have a handfull of corners that wanted to pop up. Fixed some with heat and pressure (chair leg). That did not work for others. I fixed the rest with superglue. You can tape off the corner of the "pop up", and the the "L" the 2 pieces make where the pop is up. That way you keep the glue off of the top of all the tiles. Put in a little super glue, push down the pop, and wipe off any glue on the tape. Add a little weight to keep the corner down. Once the glue dries, you can pull off the tape and you are good to go. The ones I have done this way have held tight.

You must work to install this stuff VERY STRAIGHT to keep black lines to a minimum. I staggered the strips one one-foot tile each time.

Now I am looking to clean off a scuff, and cannot get a good read in whether or not the Allure One Step product is good to use or not. Anyone have any input on that? Thanks!
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:46 PM   #828
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iI have the same problem i called them told them it was 2 yrs old and they said to send pics now i am waiting for callback
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:53 PM   #829
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I was thinking about installing this on above grade concrete slab in my kitchen with laundry closet. I know moisture has been an issue with peeling in basements, but in this case the concrete is above grade and I will be installing over existing sheet vinyl which should serve as a moisture barrier of sorts. Anyone have experience with this type of installation. Not comfortable with laying tile myself and too much chance of water problems with laminate so this seems to be one of my only options other than having another sheet of vinyl laid, which I don't care for the look of.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:59 PM   #830
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Welcome Sir John---I suggest you start a new thread in flooring---we have some pro installers and a bunch of experienced homeowners that have experience with that product---

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Old 12-03-2013, 02:00 PM   #831
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The majority of failures seem to be on concrete, whether DIY or Pro installed. Not sure why. Could be that concrete is usually colder or that most concrete sweats, so it could be moisture or a combination of the two.
Hi Rusty-

Yes, there are issues that can occur when installing on concrete (especially basements). All subfloors must be carefully checked for moisture, as Allure ULTRA is waterproof but not a waterproofer. So any moisture problems need to be adressed prior to installation. We recommend 6 mil poly moisture vapor barrier, TrafficMaster Basement Proofer (available by special order only) or RedGardŽ.

When installing Allure flooring in a basement, you must use a basement proofer or a 6 mil poly moisture barrier. If you are using a Tramex Moisture Meter and the level is 0%-2%, no moisture barrier is required. But if it is 2%-5%, a moisture barrier is required. Anything over 5% and we do not recommend installing Allure flooring. Also, new concrete floors need to cure for a minimum of 60 days.



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Old 12-03-2013, 09:32 PM   #832
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Thank you for the info---nice to have the manufacturer drop in!
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:06 PM   #833
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Also, new concrete floors need to cure for a minimum of 60 days.



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It's always been accepted practice that it takes about 128 days for a 4" slab to cure.
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It's always been accepted practice that it takes about 128 days for a 4" slab to cure.
I don't know?.... Yahoo answers states 30-60 days..... Lmao lol
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I was wrong, but so is Yahoo. Minimum standard is 28 days per inch or 112 days for a 4" slab. Then test.
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I was wrong, but so is Yahoo. Minimum standard is 28 days per inch or 112 days for a 4" slab. Then test.
I was joking Rusty. I'm also sure most don't fallow the 28 day per inch hence why so many issues in future.
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It's always been accepted practice that it takes about 128 days for a 4" slab to cure.
Thanks for the comment, Rusty! After reviewing the installation manual again, I need to clarify something. 60 days, which I stated in a previous post, was the minimum curing period that Halstead recommended for newly poured concrete, as found in the version of the Allure ULTRA owners/installation manual I have on hand. But, I'm going to double-check to see if this is still the recommended minimum curing period...my version of the manual may be outdated.

According to the most recent Allure Gripstrip owners/installation manual (different product thank Allure ULTRA), newly poured concrete floors must cure for a minimum of 90 days. Here is some more information, word for word from that manual related to concrete subfloors:

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Any large cracks or voids must be filled with a cementitious patching/leveling compound. (over 1/8" x 1/8")

PLEASE NOTE:
allure is water resistant and will withstand holding water for short periods of time if the product is installed properly. allure is not flood proof! allure is not meant as water proofing material nor a solution for moisture.

Moisture intrusion is a totally different situation that can arise with new and old concrete that exhibits very high levels of hydrostatic pressure in combination with very high levels of alkalinity. This combination provides a substance that is highly corrosive. No floor covering including allure can withstand the long term corrosive nature of this chemical. Hydrostatic pressure exceeding 8 lbs using the calcium chloride test method and/or a P.H test indicates alkalinity levels in excess of 9, steps must be taken to separate allure from the source of the corrosive effect of this chemical.

Excessive moisture in the subfloor can cause mold and mildew and other moisture related issues including, but not limited to, trapping of the moisture emissions under allure. Under these circumstances the concrete needs to be treated with a floor sealer that seals the concrete under the 8 lbs. or a moisture/vapor barrier (6 mil poly) is installed. This is necessary to avoid the corrosive effects. Newly poured concrete floors must cure for a minimum of 90 days.

It is the responsibility of the home owner and the installer to make sure that any moisture or alkalinity issues are resolved prior to installing allure."

Also wanted to add that Halstead (the manufacturer) has published more Allure support and installation information which is available at their online support center: http://www.mydiygenius.com/articles/

Hope that helps!

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Thanks, Mike! Glad to help!

An update on Halstead's (manufacturer of allure) policy for installing allure flooring on newly poured concrete- the installation manual I had on hand when I made the first comment above was in fact outdated. 90 days (not 60 days) is the minimum curing period that Halstead recommends for newly poured concrete for their allure flooring products. I apologize for any confusion.

Bottom line: Be sure your newly poured concrete is properly cured before installing allure flooring.

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Thanks, Mike! Glad to help!

An update on Halstead's (manufacturer of allure) policy for installing allure flooring on newly poured concrete- the installation manual I had on hand when I made the first comment above was in fact outdated. 90 days (not 60 days) is the minimum curing period that Halstead recommends for newly poured concrete for their allure flooring products. I apologize for any confusion.

Bottom line: Be sure your newly poured concrete is properly cured before installing allure flooring.

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I would still recommend moisture testing the concrete after 90 days. Many things can affect the drying rate. The accepted minimum drying time for a 4" slab is 112 days and then moisture test.
( I grew up pouring concrete with my father before starting flooring installations in 1973.)

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