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Old 07-18-2008, 06:54 PM   #61
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You know, that all makes so much sense to me. I do intend to acclimate the product and use a roller. But now I think I will look at the smaller stores. I am renting so I want to do this cheap.....but the floor prep alone is a nightmare, so I might as well look at better quality.

I have some uneven concrete cracks that I need to smooth out. What do I use to do that? Concrete? I hope not cuz concrete looks like it comes in 50lb bags as a minimum.

anyway, thank you for your time and input!

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Old 07-19-2008, 10:56 PM   #62
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That is some unbelievable B.S. there 26. Firstly Bruce does not and never has sold Home Depot stores seconds. To make that many seconds would have put them out of business

Home Depot mostly special orders their hardwoods and NEVER sell cabin grades or lower grades, even when builders and contractors ask us to.

In stock Bruce was never seconds either. They did once try a peel and stick plank, which must have failed, although the complaints we got were that we had stopped selling it.

Again for tile, Home Depot deals with Dal-Tile and it does not buy anything different from any other retailer. we send customers to Dal, to look at product in their showroom. Sometimes they find a way of buying it direct or through another retailer. It is the same.

The boxes of tile are marked. They have a number on them. Grade 1. Less than honest dealers try to tell their clients that HD's grade 1 means they are crap, that they should be looking at grade 4 or 5. There is no grade 4 or 5 tiles. There is PEI 4 or 5.

Again, Home Depot were accused by contractors of selling seconds. They asked their vendors to mark their boxes grade 1 to prove they were not selling seconds.

Home Depot has special buy tiles. Yes, I am sure these are thinned out and made cheap. But hell, they charge anywhere from .79 cents to $1.10 per sq ft. How good are they going to be? Now, even Home Depot cannot compete with the retail stores who are charging .58 cents to .79 cents. How good are those going to be?

Home Depot, didn't put anybody out of business that didn't deserve it. My store included. Are they perfect? No. I will say if I think something is wrong. I don't like the way they have promoted polyester carpets so much, for example.

As far as the Allure. 26 is right. It is new. I have been in my new position just over a year, and Allure came out in my store less than 6 months before that, so I am sure I will get complaints. (That is my job) I have had 1 complaint on Allure. It had markings on it, that the customer didn't see before installing, but were on all of the pieces. Halstead replaced the floor with no problem.

My father put in Allure about a year ago. It looks great. My father in laws, so far so good.
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:44 AM   #63
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thanks to these chat rooms, I found out what to use to smooth out my floor. I have this cement patch stuff that I am trying out today. And I am using the big cat claw on that nasty carpet tack! Thank you all!

Now for the vinylplanks battle.....since I am renting and the owner does not know that I am doing this, I feel I want quality but I need cheap as well. Once I removed the carpet and horse hair padding, I know only one thing.....I will never have carpet down again. what a pile of sand under that padding! No wonder I can't breathe.
Anyway, I need about 510 sq. ft. for the hall, living/dining and kitchen. My first choice was this glue down product that was on the floor of California Carpet. It was fab. but it was $6 sq. ft. without installation. I just was not liking the price and the glue thing, the owner would have really gotten upset. then I heard about Konecto. There was only 1 retailer here and it was in a bad section of town, no sign on the door,etc. So I gave up and then read all about the prooblems with it.

Now 13 yrs. ago, I put those cheap Home Depot square tiles in my kitchen and bath in my other apt. and today they are still there, still in great shape, and no problems. I think I paid about $250 for the 2 rooms. My friend lives in that apt today and the crappy tiles are fine.

I have pets and can no longer deal with the pet stains that occure with older pets. I almost did cork planks but again the pet issue and those cork things are $4-$6. But the bigger issue is that you need a saw to istall and the owner would know!

so after much concern, I bought a box of the Allure stuff. I came home and pulled out 2 planks, stuck them togehter and then pulled them apart (with some difficulty) and stuck them back together. I was seeing how hard it was going to be to get that tight seam. so I again pulled them apart, and put it back, this time getting a tighter seam. I then got my hair dryer and that heat helped the plank slide closer. then I noticed that one edge came up. So I got the dryer again, heated it, stuck it back together, and put it on the floor. The edge came up again (now this was AFTER I HAD PULLED THE TILE APART TWICE) so I just pushed it back down. The tile has been on the concrete floor for 2 days and the edge is fine and has remained in place. And this was all done WITHOUT A 100 LB ROLLER.
I can see some patterned imperfections but I don't know if that is part of the pattern or an imperfection. I read on this chat room that it is best when laying this stuff down to rotate planks from several boxes to allow for variation.
So I think it is vitally important to follow the directions, let the boxes acclimate, get the floor smooth and dust free as glass, use a hair dryer to ease the seam and make it stick, and definitely use a 100lb weight roller!

Most of my local small dealers don't carry any vinyl planks, only that commercial stuff that needs to be glued down. With exception is the one Konecto store that I went to but seemed strange, with no sign on the door, etc. and was closed when he said they were open? I am not open to ordering anything online. Lowes does not carry any vinyl wood planks and in fact, only 1 Home Depot of the 3 within 7 miles of me (now there is the problem and why the little guys are going out, TOO MANY HOME DEPOTS WITHIN MILES OF EACHOTHER). I am proud to say that San Francisco does not have either (but yet there is no land to build one!) Only 1 home depot store carried the Allure Stuff.
So what to do...........

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Old 07-20-2008, 11:27 AM   #64
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If the locals fail and your only choice is Hdepot, that is were the internet kicks in.

I must say once you introduce the blow dryer to the equasion you loose your acclimation, you have now altered the consistancy of the plank.

This is why these types of floors are failing. If you alter the tempature of the floor when it full cools it will shrink and seperate.
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:12 PM   #65
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I am still at it. The cats claw is perfect and the bigger nails are coming out fine but right before the bigger nails are these much smaller nails. I generally work around them and then try to slowly work them out but the top flat part comes off only, leaving a nail with no head! How do I get them out? since they are closer to the wall , the basebords won't cover them but should I just try to nail them in further?
Boy, choosing a tile will be a piece of cake compared to removing carpet tack boards. I will hire someone next time to remove the living room carpet and stuff! Live and learn.
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Old 07-20-2008, 03:08 PM   #66
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"Denile..... is not just a river in Egypt.

You have bought into the homedepot dogma/propaganda they feed thier people. I understand I almost bought into when I was with em.
I woke up after doing a wood job that we had to cull 1/3 of every box, the Bruce rep came by and looked at the bad wood and told us to install it.
Then it became clear, you get what you pay for when you deal with Depot.
You first choice stock items are junk wood. junk tile, junk carpet.
I know I installed it all for them.

I wonder how many small business that were put under by Depot disagree with you....I think I am safe in saying there were quite few, quite few families lost all they had .I guess that is okay with you but it is not with me."

I can say the same about you. You have probably bought into the same garbage the "contractors" say. With their stereotyping of "nobody knows about their trade at Home Depot" or "If you were any good, you would be out installing instead of working for nothing at the Depot".

Your wood job sounds terrible, but it was Bruce that told you to carry on, not HD. It doesn't prove that they have intentionally sold seconds. I have installed thousands of square yards of carpet from many sources and some have been of poor quality, but I didn't accuse the buyer of buying seconds.

That brings me to the "junk carpet". The worst carpet we have stocked is well above the weight and class of the retailers I used to compete with. I see the prices that Home Depot pay for the rolls, they are in line with what I would have paid. I have installed the instock carpets and have had no more or less problems than with anyone else's carpet.

Once again. Home Depot never put anyone out of business. They put themselves out of business, myself included, by failing to observe good business practices. They didn't listen to what their customer wanted. They do not open when the customer wants them open, Passat went to a store that claimed to be open, they lost a sale. They didn't keep their customers they did have, happy. The old Home Depot, under it's first CEO's guaranteed satisfaction. In the years from 2001-2007 under the 2nd CEO they lost that creed. It is hurting them now. CEO number 3 is vowing to bring things back they way they were. Who knows. Please don't talk to me about hardships. While my business, with my family was failing. Mine was the takeover of a huge client, and losing it's account, funnily enough using seconds carpet) plus the failure to be open when customers wanted us to be open, my wife's families business had somebody embezzle $100 000.00 quite brilliantly, by becoming a good friend, taking advantage of my wife's difficult pregnancy and finding a loophole in some AppleMacintosh software.

Nobody bailed me out, except for me. I joined Home Depot after doing some installs and 2 other jobs.

I don't come on here and ask anybody to buy from HD. Nor do I try to say that their products are better than anybody else. In fact the only person
that I see coming on here trying to get peoples money seems to be you. Good luck.
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Uhhh...okay.
I guess we all are blind to your name homedepot23 and I assume that you do not suggest sales at homedepot by using the name
I wonder if home depot knows you are using thier name in your private ventures if you do this without thier permission it is a copyright violation.
If you do it in a professional aspect it is copyright infringment.
Unless you own homedepot.....
The mods should have picked up on that when you signed on.

I don't want to argue with you. We are all entitled to our opinions, if our opinions are based with facts it gives us creedence.
If not they are just opinions.

All I have discussed with you are facts, I am sure you know your craft I would not want to take anything from you.
As far as the Bruce/Homedepot issue they both told me to install the wood.I refused and walked off the job after I ran out of plank twice due to bad boards it was my last wood job for Homedepot.

So in short they offered bad boards to the customer at full price then followed up with bad boxes twice more. This is not chance, this is a pattern.

A few weeks ago I was approached by the local Bruce rep for a large supplier concering showing it on my site. I told him all the problems I have seen with Bruce wood in the past. He told me I would not encounter those problems because homedepot gets all the junk wood and they have an exclusive on it. He also mention lumber liquidators as a junk wood dealer.

Open your eyes man, it is not rocket science, you get what you pay for.

Good luck with your ventures, our paths will cross again.

I wish you well, now let us put this thread back on topic eh.
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:04 PM   #68
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Look Home Depot 23 and 26 flooring, I come on here for info on how to finish up my first difficult job and you 2 banter back and forth between Home Depot and Konecto products! My question was about nails that won't come out cuz the flat top broke off.

I appreciate opinions about products but I want to hear from people like me who installed the product and how it held up, not from those who sell it.

In the end, Lets face it, the big corporations are putting the little guy out of business! Its not the products, its who has enough money to buy the space, buy the community politics and the larger quantities reduce cost to us. It is the American way that I hate, Starbucks has a place every other block here, and somehow all of us realized we needed to support the small guy so we do. The younger generation likes Starbucks, the older like the locals.
I need locals to help me with this project. I know that because I am installing this myself that I automatically lose the warranty, no matter if it is LA or local Home Depot. Any company is going to argue with me that I must have done something wrong for the product to fail. But 6 months ago when I went to a home depot to sign up for a FREE CLASS on installing laminate, the older guy who teaches the class said that the next class was in a few months YET he took the time and gave me a 20 minute class and he had all these great pointers that were not in any direcitons that I read.
so because HD went the extra mile, I appreciate it. Yet yesterday I went to another HD and there was no one around to help me and the young people working there were pretty useless. I have yet to find anyone with any knowledge at Lowes, so it is hot and cold and the customer has to decide for themselves who to trust. I know that both places use outside contractors(if you can call them that) to install, and my friends who used Lowes to install carpet had to get it all redone due to poor installation. Same with my other friend who used HD. So that leaves me with little money to spend who can't afford an installer and who feels that IF YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT, DO IT YOURSELF! I went to a small flooring company in Marin and the guy was great. I wanted to use him becasue he emplys his own installers who work for the company, but I could not afford the cost $4500 to do my job. So that leaves us weekend warriors with HD and Lowes. I have other friends who are very successful with ordering on line (builders direct) but again , shipping fees of $200.

so I am off my soapbox and onto the nail issue.

So lets stop politicking and help me with those darn nails!

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What is the subfloor wood or concrete?
I assume concrete because the heads pop off.
If so take hammer and hit the nail sideways it will break the nail loose from the concrete. or just beat on until it breaks free.

If you get it loose in the hole you can finish pulling it with some vicegrips.
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well floor 26, the subfloor is concrete. I have 15 nails left to chisel out. so it does help if I do as you suggested. On the subborn ones, I just chip away at it until the concrete gives and then it comes out. How do all you people who do this for a living keep your back from hurting? Almost done with clearing this floor for whatever. thanks for the help
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26. I did say earlier .79 cent tile what can you expect? But I have no personal grudge to you. I think you have given good advice on threads I have read.

I assure you that I do not make a red cent off using the HD name on this board or anywhere other than my thin pay packet at work. My user name was something I thought of too hurriedly and do regret it.

Passat. I apologise. I missed that question. I just hit extra nails from side to side until they become loose or pop out. It leaves a smaller hole. Nails that are lower, I do the same but with a hammer and chisel.

You won't lose your warranty, but you are correct, you give the vendor that easy out if they can say you did it wrong.
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I as a retailer also KNOW FOR A FACT that the bruce wood that HD stocks is a lesser grade. Seconds? I'm not sure. My good friend did alot of their installs for two years and said you would get 3 ft long planks on average and the long ones (if any) were bowed and warped badly

personally as a retailer(small business) I had a Home Depot and a lowes open up within 1 mile from me in the past 5 years and it's done nothing but boost my sales
people want to be helped, the guy in the apron selling nails and hammers last week who is now in the flooring dept isn't going to help much
Just look at Lowes now
"Pick your color, pick your style, pick your warranty"
OLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can't they just come out and say
"we have no idea on how to sell flooring"

Anyone remember when Sears sold and installed flooring????????????

I think 10 years from now we might be saying the same thing about one or both of the big box stores
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Well Home Depot and Floor 26, here it is: I chose the Trafficmaster vinyl wood planks (oak) after much research and ideas from others. Lowes product was awful and the smaller local guys either did not carry anything similar or it was $6 sq.ft for the glue down type. The Konecto brand was at a smaller business but he was not a reliable business (no reflection on Konecto). I was not comfortable with ordering on line and also paying $200 shipping.
so, as a renter, who is not suppose to do any replacement but carpet, and wanting a cheap product, ($1.67 sq.ft.) I decided to start by doing a 30ft. long hallway with a 90degree turn with 16 door frames!
I followed all the directions perfectly and even refrained from using a hairdryer to hasten the process (per floor 26 recommendation).

The glue on these strips is phonomenal. Even after my dog sat on some of the strips and left his fur, they still stick! I can't imagine these strips coming up or loose!

Doing the hall as a first project was a huge mistake because of the door frames that went down to the concrete floor. (I am on a 3rd floor so moisture is not a problem here). My saw couldn't get through the wood to trim the frames 1/8 of an inch so I could slip the planks under. SOOOOOO
I had to make a pattern for each frame and cut it out. Alot of work and frustration cuz I am not a sewer and pattern maker. But that is not an Allure issue. I was able to cut the planks with a garden shears to get the sharp corners. But in general, all you have to do is score the planks and they snap off.

I did have to call the 800 number on the box several times to clarify directions and get help. It seems that the directions on the box are not as detailed as the ones you download. But overall the 800 number service was great to have and they clarified the directions.

while fatigue on my part left some planks with larger seams than I wanted, I think it just makes the floor look more authentic. I love my floor, knowing that it is waterproof, never ever do I have to shampoo that 30ft. hallway. I can't tell you how much it looks like wood and it is quieter than the floating laminate wood floor styles.

The only down side I had with Allure were these:
There needs to be better info on how to lay out the floor. I started as directed but ended up with a 2 1/2 inch strip on the other side of the wall. Now the baseboard will hide some of this but try cutting this 36 inch plank LENGTHWISE! cutting it crosswise (6 inches) is a piece of cake. When I called the company, they said that the design of the plank does not allow it to cut as the same along the length. They gave me some advice to get a bigger and stronger knife. Enter HOME DEPOT! I took a remnant of the plank to Home Depot and explained what I needed to do. The guy saved my life!!!!!!! He went and got a cheaper brand of razor knife and showed me how to do it. Actually, the key is to have a very sharp blade and you have to cut and not score, and you can then snap and tear along the 36 inch length. I just changed my blade every 3 planks!

there is a tremendous amount of waste when doing a narrow space. My hall was 43 inches wide when I did the 90 degree turn. to keep with the grain of the plank, it took 3 planks per row! tons of waste! It is not as they say, like cut one plank in half and use the other half at the end of the row! this hardly ever works because of the design of the glue strips!

But overall, I love the floor. I will now do my living room/kitchen which I figure will take about a day since there are no doors or frames! But.......
I will follow the floor layout differently. I will follow the directions given to me 6 months ago by a Home Depot guy for putting in a laminate floor. He showed how to prevent ever having planks less than 12 inches! But because Allure has those glue strips, things are a bit different and confusing. In fact there is a slight dip in one area of my floor and I know exactly what happened. If you rush and don't pay attention to what you are doing, you can sometimes put a plank down on the concrete rather than on the bordering strip, but after rolling the 100lb weight roller, I see no problem with the tile, it seems stuck for life!

One thing I know for sure, that my installation was surely better than any Lowes or Home Depot installer! They use outside people who I don't think are even certified contractors and there is no way they could have understood the nature of this glue system. I have seen simple carpet installation messed up by both of these companies. As tired as I was and wanting someone to come and finish this job, I knew that I probably knew more than Home Depot installers.

Yes, I do remember Sears and I miss their furniture and flooring service! I need a stackable washer/dryer and I will go nowhere but Sears.

How will this floor be in years to come? Only time will tell. If the owner of the bldg is upset? Its floating so up it comes! For $1.67 sq.ft. I just think it was the best product for me who wanted a cheap wood look that was waterproof.

thank you all for your input and ideas. The floor prep is key and probably the hardest thing, removing 40year old carpet tack boards! Could not have done that without your ideas of hitting the nails sideways!
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I'm glad it worked out for you. The nail removal is fun. Not.

I also had trouble with cutting on the width and I had to do my start row and end row, go down hallways into dining room. I had a lot of side cuts. I think I mentioned it my inital post back on post 36 I think it was.

My wife just got us a stackable washer/dryer combo. We shopped around and I just said get what you want, but try to keep under $1300.

Sears were terrible. The salesman had no clue what he was talking about, he had to get the stock boy to do the computer system. We eventually gave up. It was a shame because we last purchased a cheap Kenmore set in 1987 and it had lasted so well.

Home Depot actually had the best deal for us, Lowes had the best deal for my in-laws a month later.

As much as the appliance people ***** about G.E delivery, we have now had 2 deliveries from them and both were great.

The guy said that we would be surveyed and he asked us to either give him a 10 or let them know what he needed to do to get a 10.
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Thank you very much for your reply to my uncertainty about this flooring although it would not be my choice my friend decided to put it in her house, the plank 6inch strips living/dining hallway and the tiles kitchen. Not as hard as I thought it would but measuring is the key, before laying it especially when you look down the hallway leading to the living room. It was easy except for the cutting, bought a high end knife with tons of blades and I think that was the hardest part around stairs, door frames,etc. The tiling though is another story allot of waste since it comes in 3tiles together, and if you only need a wee bit the tile is pretty much garbage after that, unless you put it in a not so used cloest where it won't be noticable. If they come out with the same tiles but you can buy a box of singles this would eliminate allot of waste. When my friend had a big box store come over for a quote, this is what they said, You will need a sub floor put in, new quarter round, 45.00 each to move appliances (fridge & stove I kid you not 5 feet from the kitchen to the hallway, and they are on rollers), they said this does not includeany other movement of furniture my friend would have to get someone to help her move it. After it was all said and done labour flooring sub floor $3,600.00. was the final estimate.
We did it over the course of a weeekend paying attention to every detail, being careful to pull up the quarter round to be able to reinstall it, buying knee pads cause you will need them unless you have knees of steel, new thresholds, the whole thing $800.00. As well as the instructions read you do not need a new sub floor but they insisted they would not do it unless my friend had the sub floor installed. See how being a bit of a diyer, doing research and not being intimidated to ask for help pays off. I appreciated everyone advise and help.
P.S. I don't know about the U.S. but if you look on Home Depots sight they had a $100.00 gift certificate for vinyl flooring, which my friend download and sent off with a copy of her receipt and UPC's. So $800.00 paid and $100.00 towards another DIYer job not too shabby I would say.
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