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Old 09-18-2011, 08:48 AM   #676
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Old 09-21-2011, 09:50 AM   #677
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I have read the first 39 pages but have not seen an answer to this question.

I want to install Allure over a 50 year old plank floor. Some boards are a bit uneven and worse, as I started tearing up the hidious 50 year old tack strip under the carpet I realized there are some odd, very large and heavy nails in the floor around the edges that I cannot remove (these things have 1/2 inch wide round heads on them and they are in there for good, but don't raise up more than 1/8th of an inch or so, I can't seem to pound them in flush with a hammer). I only anticipate the big nails being an issue in the door opening area, the house is small so there isn't a lot of exposed floor space, nothing bigger than 4' x 6' with the furniture and all.

Question is this: If I do not CARE about minor imperfections showing up from the slightly raised boards and I lay the Allure WITHOUT a 1/8th inch plywood subfloor underneath WILL THE SEAMS SPLIT? Or will I just end up with little bumps or raised areas where the plank boards aren't quite flush. I am using the wood plank pattern so that will probably hide the indentations from the real planks fairly well.

I am renting this little house, I have 6 dogs (hence the need for vinyl flooring) and I just want something clean that won't split at the seams. I am a single female doing this by myself which is why if the subfloor is only for cosmetic reasons maybe I won't want to bother putting one in. If I absolutely must put something underneath in order to keep the floor from breaking or seams from ripping open is 1/8th inch plywood the best choice, or is there some super easy underlay matting that would work better. If the floor will be warmer or somehow more comfortable to walk on (and lay on in the case of the dogs) with the plywood subfloor that might make a difference.

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Old 09-21-2011, 12:28 PM   #678
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Followup -- I called the Halstead claims department to ask my questions. Thought I would post their response in case others have wondered:

1) They said the seams will not open or break if layed over a slightly uneven plank floor but of course the floor will eventually conform to the subfloor underneath, so if the cosmetic issues do not bother me it should not be a problem.

2) I asked if the wood grain patterns are known to have the "chemical odor" problems and they said the chemical odor is rare, but the person I talked to did not seem to think it affected some patterns over others. She also said all flooring is made in the same factory in China.

3) She tried to talk me into the Allure Ultra (dollar more a sq ft). It is a thicker heavier floor however it does not have the same glue strips and must be "wiggled" into place. For a weakling DIY type like me she agreed the cheaper Allure trafficmaster floor would be lighter and easier to install due to the adhesive strips.

She said dog pee can break down the adhesive over time. She also recommended using vinegar and water to clean the floor (sounds like a great cleaner if one can tolerate a vinegar smell).

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Old 09-21-2011, 04:42 PM   #679
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I too plan to install flooring in a remodeled basement (partially buried) with existing cement floor.
I want to avoid mold. If Allure is not the answer, what is?????
Should I just put down large area rugs and that can be cleaned or is there a magic product out there?
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:55 PM   #680
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I too plan to install flooring in a remodeled basement (partially buried) with existing cement floor.
I want to avoid mold. If Allure is not the answer, what is?????
Should I just put down large area rugs and that can be cleaned or is there a magic product out there?
Since no experts are replying (and I ain't no expert) I think you probably can use Allure you just have to research cement vapor barriers and then use one even if the floor doesn't "seem" to be damp.

If you notice all the problems seem to be with people "testing" the floor by taping down plastic to see how much moisture accumulates, and then deciding there is no moisture so it is fine to install without any vapor barrier. Course temperatures may play into it too, yet people with RV's seem happy with it and those temps can't always be constant.

Might want to look into Allure Ultra because instead of adhesive it has some sort of tongue and groove method, maybe that would be better (with a vapor barrier of course).

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A vapor barrier won't keep moisture from causing mold under the barrier.
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A vapor barrier won't keep moisture from causing mold under the barrier.
Ahhh..good point. I was focused on seams lifting as that seems to be the biggest complaint with cement floors (and if the floor looks good who bothers to lift it up in a search for mold).

So can you answer one of my previous questions? The big nails around the edge of the floor? They are pretty obvious, they won't come out...a dremmel took might work to flatten the ones in the doorway?

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I would put a cutting wheel on the dremel and cut the heads off. I'm afraid the unevenness would cause the joints to come apart. I don't know what the nails are, can you post a picture?
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Yes the joints splitting was my concern too, so i called the claims department at Allure (a couple of posts above). They said no worries about the joints splitting if the cosmetic effects aren't a concern.

It is a 50 year old 2" wide unfinished plank subfloor. I don't care about visual imperfections but a big hard nail bump in the doorway to the bedroom will be rather annoying even if it doesn't cause the seams to lift.

If you read the posts above the whole story is laid out (in more detail than most want to know). If a 1/8th subfloor will make it more comfortable for me or the dogs then I will consider it, but the Allure folks say don't bother.
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http://www.superseal.ca/all_in_one_subfloor.html

Anyone have any experience with this stuff? Could I use this under the Allure flooring to protect against mold.

If not, then what product can I use in my basement?
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Yes the joints splitting was my concern too, so i called the claims department at Allure (a couple of posts above). They said no worries about the joints splitting if the cosmetic effects aren't a concern.

It is a 50 year old 2" wide unfinished plank subfloor. I don't care about visual imperfections but a big hard nail bump in the doorway to the bedroom will be rather annoying even if it doesn't cause the seams to lift.

If you read the posts above the whole story is laid out (in more detail than most want to know). If a 1/8th subfloor will make it more comfortable for me or the dogs then I will consider it, but the Allure folks say don't bother.
Sorry, but these tech departments have a history of giving wrong information. I would err on the side of caution.
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I would put a cutting wheel on the dremel and cut the heads off. I'm afraid the unevenness would cause the joints to come apart. I don't know what the nails are, can you post a picture?
Note the nail rises higher than the dime. Sorry for the fuzzy photo. That sucker is in their tight, I can't even gouge out the stuff under/around it.

My gut does tell me to lay a 1/8th inch subfloor.


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Concrete nails. Maybe put in with a 22 cal . If you strike them sideways, the heads will usually pop off.
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Thank you! Yes hitting it sideways worked. Plus I got up all the tackboard (the first part was ancient, thank god the rest of the room turned out to be newer) and the floor looks very level and tight once I started yanking carpet away from the door.

I won't need a subfloor. I can do this way faster than I thought. I am jazzed and have the first shipment of Allure on it's way.

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