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Old 12-19-2009, 01:56 PM   #376
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Hello everyone, other than my introduction post, this is my first post in this forum. There are so many posts on the Allure flooring that I'm efraid I won't find what I'm looking for. I have installed the Allure flooring on my basement bathroom about a month ago. It sits directly on the concrete floor. I have tested it for humidity with a plastic sheet as directed and found no moisture at all. But now, one of the tiles is lifting at the seam. I suspect that is because of dust on the glue strip, or from having been touched too much during handling. I was thinking of applying some glue over the self-adhesive strip. Are there any reasons for not attempting that? If not, have you any type of adhesive to suggest?

I was also thinking of applying moderate heat on the tile over a cloth hoping that the heat would reactivate the adhesive on the strip. I have some leftover tiles but I'm reluctant to replace that problem tile at this time. I would like to see the alternatives. Any advice on fixing that problem is welcome.


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The company recommends that you use super glue for repairs. By the way, all failures that I have seen occurred on concrete floors and I believe most are caused by the concrete being too cold.
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Rusty, thanks for a prompt reply. That is what I had in mind, using superglue. Now I feel better about going ahead and trying it.
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I would try your heat method first since it's the least invasive. I had a small area I had to glue on mine- not the floor's fault- just an area with a gap I filled in with a piece of flooring that didn't have enough of the glue strip. Anyway, I used my hot glue gun and it's been holding for a year now. This is a small area though, don't know how it would work if you have a big section coming up. Good luck, I hope the floor holds up for you!
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The company recommends that you use super glue for repairs. By the way, all failures that I have seen occurred on concrete floors and I believe most are caused by the concrete being too cold.
I wonder if a person wanting to install over concrete could first lay plastic sheeting, insulated panels, then plywood for hardness to take the chill off? Don't know if that would be too flimsy or would actually feel solid. I was thinking the same thing about the concrete being too cold.
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I would try your heat method first since it's the least invasive. I had a small area I had to glue on mine- not the floor's fault- just an area with a gap I filled in with a piece of flooring that didn't have enough of the glue strip. Anyway, I used my hot glue gun and it's been holding for a year now. This is a small area though, don't know how it would work if you have a big section coming up. Good luck, I hope the floor holds up for you!
Thanks Annie. That makes sense. If the heat treatment doesn't hold, it won't likely make it worse, so, then using the superglue would be the next step.

About installing insulated panels, I believe the ideal here would be the Barricade subfloor tiles, no need for vapour barrier or additional plywood. And the floor would be solid too. http://www.ovrx.com/basement-flooring.html

My Allure tiles that are directly on concrete feel warmer than ceramic tiles

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Allure is a floating floor. Looks like it was glued down amd is getting moisture from underneath. Or you didn't remove old adhesive from a previous floor covering.
That stuff reminds me of Gorilla glue. I've used it before on loose chair legs, and it mysteriously seems to expand just like in those pics.
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Amigo - 2k That "stuff" that is coming up sure looks strange. It seems curious that it doesn't appear any of the seams are lifting. You would think there would be evidence of that. By the way, I just finished up with laying about 400 square feet on my concrete, so I am hoping for the best. I guess it could take several months to know if the Allure is going to hold up or not. Your situation looks very mysterious. Keep us posted.
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doug pks- just curious- did you lay the floor directly on the concrete? Or use anything under it? You'll have to post photos if you get a chance.
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Annie ... I layed it directly on the concrete. I ran some space heaters and a franklin stove for three days, just to make sure room temperature was near 70 degrees. And, hopefully, the concrete floor was not too cool. I rolled all with 100 lb roller. I laid half the floor one weekend and the other half this past weekend. At first, I used a hand roller to roll seams before doing the heavy seam roller. I really felt that there wasn't enough pressure exerted, so I ended up pressing seams with my foot, exerting my 200 pounds of personal weight.

Judging from other posts, it could take several months to determine if the floor is going to "take". I took pictures of the 100 pound roller, a thermostat showing the room temperature and the 1/8" to 1/4" expansion gap and also kept label from boxes showing the run number and date. All of this in case I need to provide for a claim (I hope to heck these will not be needed.)

I will let you know. I also was going to eventually post my thoughts/experience with laying this product. Later.
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"Allure and Konecto are for indoor installations only, the temperature must be maintained between 65 and 85 degrees." That doesn't mean just at time of installation. The rooms need to be kept in that temperature range at all times. The concrete slab is supposed to be at least 65 degrees, but a slab can be up to 10 degrees cooler than room temperature.
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Konecto and Allure are the exact same product, manufactured by the same company, but Konecto is advertised as water-resistant and Allure is advertised as water-proof. Does it make you wonder?
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my thoughts and experiences so far in laying Allure Trafficmaster planks:

4 foot metal rule (the planks are 3 ft. long) for measuring and cutting

right angle triangle also for cutting

carpenter's pencil for marking cuts.

Husky folding blade with 10 replacement blades (available at HD). Change blades often. Blade may feel sharp after several cuts, but it is not as sharp as should be.

make several passes with blade, medium pressure, do not expect to cut through, you are scoring to snap product not cut all the way through. The snapping of the long way of the plank is more difficult and should be done a few inches at a time working your way down the length of the plank, using edge of your cutting board as leverage or pressure. Cutting the short 6" way is fairly easy, make a few passes with the blade and it snaps easily with a bend or two.

Tin snips or similar sheers for cutting, if needed.

saw horses with plywood cutting board (or similar setup)
hand roller purchased at art store (I didn't feel this exerted enough pressure, I ended just stepping down on seams with my 200 lb. body weight).
100 lb roller rented at HD
knee pads
door jamb saw (much better to cut door jambs to fit planks under,than cut around.)
fine bristle, wide push broom for sweeping smooth floor
sweep floor for dust and debris and then vacuum with attachment (instead of sweeping into a dust pan and leaving residue). Then light damp mopping of floor will get up any additional dust. (Swiffer with disposable, pre-wetted paper cloths is good for this purpose.)

double-face tape to keep first row stable and "in square" with room.

A good, strong work light.

And do a moisture test if laying on a concrete floor by taping an approximate 3 foot square of plastic mylar on floor for several days to see if any moisture wicks up from concrete. If it does, reconsider buying Allure and check out any method or coating that would provide a moisture barrier. Maybe better to consider another type of flooring. If you do purchase Allure acclimate to room for at least 48 hours or longer.

I used the wax paper-like slip sheets to cover exposed glue strips as I worked the next new plank. I left the paper on overnight until I returned to the project.

Go overboard in planning (I even measured and drew layout of every plank on concrete floor with magic marker.) I had numerous potential problems solved in advance and avoided difficult layouts to insure a continuous lay in same direction in alcoves, half-walls, etc. Without the extensive planning I am sure, it would not have come out as well.

I pulled from 4 different boxes to avoid color and pattern repetition. Even then, before you lay the plank, look around and see if there might be the very same pattern that you laid in the previous row adjacent to the one you are about to lay. If so, pull another plank with a different pattern.

Glue strips are unforgiving, difficult to pull apart if you make a major mistake. Lay short end of new plank at 45 degree angle into previous short glue strip. (This 45 degree angle puts the butt end of plank on edge, keeping the flat surface of the glue strips away from each other until you are satisfied with the "fit"). Then gently "roll" the plank long ways with slight sideward pressure toward the adjoining plank to assure a snug fit. Better to take time to lay it right than try to pull up and redo! Planks are not easy to reposition if you are way off (like 1/8 inch) in your positioning.

You have to work left to right because of the glue strips. Remember you cut off the long 36" "over" strips against the facing wall and short glue strips against the beginning wall on left. I planned on my first plank in first row to be 35" long, the first plank in second row to be 24" and the first plank in 3rd row to be 12" long. I then repeated this staggered pattern. In each row I precalculated that the last partial plank in each row at other end of room was of decent length and not a short, stubby peice for instance. Again, this goes back to pre-planning which is as important, if not more so. than the actual laying. I had virtually no waste and will be returning three of my 21 cases for a refund or store credit. I have a partial box I will be keeping for any fixes or whatever.

I still plan to put quarter round down to hide expansion seam and I think that will finish it.

I am getting too windy here. There is probably more I could say ... but now I will just wait to see if the floor "takes'. It looks fantastic now ... Country Pine planks. We will see what the future brings.

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I am thinking of putting the Allure in a commercial setting with mild daily traffic (doctor office). The office currently has commercial carpet glued on concrete slab in the area where the Allure would go. Any thoughts on simply putting the Allure on top of the carpet to help with added cushion?
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I'm sure that would void the warranty. And it would fail.

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