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Old 11-09-2012, 12:43 PM   #1
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Staples or Cleats?


I will be installing some wood flooring about 9/16" thick and plan to purchase an inexpensive flooring nailer. What is the preferred fastner? Staples or cleats? Whats the difference with T and L cleats?

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #2
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i have used both and I prefer the staples.

home depot has the freeman nailer that will do staples or cleat nails for 149.00. with mine i only needed 60 pounds to set the staples perfect. they didn't carry it when i bought mine.


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The staples have a glue that activates when it heats but for the last ten years used nothing but L cleats. The cleats have barbs that give a better hold. The difference between the T and L cleat is just the shape of the head same holding power. I recommend the primatec flooring nailer.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:46 AM   #5
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Should have mentioned the flooring is bamboo. After doing some reading it sounds like staples may cause the tongue to split and later make the floors squeak. Are staples still a favorite when installing bamboo?
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Never installed bamboo---cleats tend to break the tongue more often than staples----call the manufacturer---I like staples for hardwood.
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READ the installation instructions and warranty info , If there is no warranty or instructions return the product , If thats not an option , You will be likely to be over doing it with a home depot nailer , " IF "The HD 45% floor nailer still has the adjustment plates , Then you would want to put the thicker plate on so the nails . Staples cleats or what ever .Do not over penetrate and blow right through , Most of the home depot nailers are set up for 3/4 inch thick products and won't even sit flat on a 9/16 . If you try this , Set the nailer on the 9/16 .Lay your head on the floor to get a side view and see if it is laying on it right .As a last resort , And I claim no responsibility for you ruining a few boards . Tape cardboard to the bottom of the Home depot nailer as to shim it up so the nails are [SORT OF ] Adjusted for th proper depth and turn the air compressor down to about 80 psi . and play with it a bit . If you are blowing the nails right throught the toungues , Put another cardboard shim on , make sure tyhe cardboard does not prevent the lip from cathing the front of the Bamboo ,if you lower the pressure too much , The staple will not penetrate when it hits more solid parts or pieces of wood , Wether thts the Bamboo or the sub floor ,

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So I spoke to the manufacturer and they said I should NOT use staples on this particular flooring. 16 Ga. Cleats only. My subfloor is 3/4" T&G OSB and have read that staples hold much better in osb than cleats. Is there any reason I should go against the manufacturers directions?
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Use what the manufacturer told you to , I have been to the seminars , They don't just make it up as they go along , Or they; being the manufacturerses that test their product , They install wood and put it through it's paces , I have seen staples kind of break the tounges , While cleats don't , Can't remember the product name , But the wood was just light and brittle , Cleats seemed to hold with out breaking the end of the toungue off ,
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i have installed bamboo, glue down,float and nail. 16g cleats, we bought a special nailer for it ( powernail) now even some of the hardwood companies are sending out memos informing installers to use certain fasteners to carry any warranty. right tools are a must.
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watch pressure to avoid dimpling
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Thanks for all the responses. I'll go with the 16 ga. cleats.

A couple questions regarding expansion gaps. The manufacturer says to leave 3/4" expansion gaps. The front entrydoor is on one side of the room and a sliding patio door on the other. What type of moulding can be used to cover the gaps at doorways?
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As often as not you will be safest making your own transitions----however---often a simple ranch style door stop can be used or a ranch style casing--ripped to your needed width will work.

If you have a table saw and a router---you can make simple transitions and moldings---
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The sales team should be able to order T mold end mold or transition mold , You could also ... and I take no responsibility if you wacker youreself trying this , set the saw table close to the guard and rip side ways , after youbrip from the top to maybe 1an 1/4 inch turn the piece sideways and and rip the piece thin as you think but proble 5/16 or 1/4 thick , If you don't wear safety glasses ..... well you know the rule of risk , if you screw it up you would sand and finish it with poly urethane with stain if needed. then Polyurethane glue seems to stick well to the top of prefinish , Or it does when I mess up and then try to get it off , so have a container to set the glue in while working

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watch pressure to avoid dimpling
Is the dimpling caused by too high or too low pressure? Or both?

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