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shotdown 04-22-2007 09:56 PM

solids vs engineered/rip-off!
 
Just my opinion. Yes, I've been considering both for my 1991 split-entry home in Kirkland, WA. Thought solids might be alot of work compared to engineered floating floor and no glue. That is true. However, in looking over several of the big brand names and excluding all "Big Box stores" I'm left with the feeling that engineered floors are ultimately a rip off for the following reasons.
1. 3/4" solid may sell for $8-14/S.F; while engineered may sell for $8-14/S.F.

2. Approx. 80% of the engineered floors I looked at today consisted of 1/16" of acutual material while the other 15% was 1/8" and 5% 3/8".

3. In some cases I observed engineered flooring with 1/16" in veneer exceeding the price of solid 3/4" identical material.

4. 3/4" solid would be a great "swap" from my existing carpet to adjacent flooring surfaces because my carpet + pad together is, you guessed it, 3/4". So can you find 3/4" engineered flooring? I don't know, but most of what I'm seeing is much less than that.

5. Look I understand that many should not even consider solid and, I understand that ultimately during installation there will "DEFINATELY" be more headaches and obstacles to overcome but, only in America do people willingley pay so much more for so much less! please see #3.

Always looking for constructive debate.

zel 04-23-2007 12:18 AM

I couldnt agree more. We were pretty much sold on the "easy installation" of engineered, but when we realised we would have to put down 3/8" underlayment first and the cost difference wasnt much, we just decided to go with solid 3/4" Brazillian Redwood. Not stained oak or maple, actual Brazillian Redwood. They had the same stuff in 3/8 engineered and it was only a dollar less. What a joke.

I was wondering, were the prices you quoted, with installation?

shotdown 04-23-2007 12:49 AM

The prices quoted on top are floor material only. Install extra.

zel 04-23-2007 06:56 AM

Wow man. Those prices seem high. Maybe the price varies in different parts of the company. We went to a place called Lumber Liquidators and they have different hardwoods from $5-$8 per sq ft. I didnt remember seeing anything that was more then $8. Check out their web site, see if there is one near you. www.lumberliquidators.com

Floorwizard 04-30-2007 12:17 PM

Engineered flooring is making major headway over solids for many reasons.
Just like solids, they have different qualities.
www.kahrs.com has the best engineered wood in the world IMO.
But there are other lower quality engineered out there as well.
Some engineered has just about the same amount of sandable surface as a solid, and some have little sandable surface.
the products is easier to install and also alot more stable.
Solid woods are nice too.
It completely depends on the consumer which is best.

troubleseeker 04-30-2007 11:01 PM

As you realize, the top quality engineered products are no cheaper than site installed, their big marketing push is the lack of the huge sanding mess. And what about those ridiculous 25 to 40 year finish warranties? I hope I live long enough, or at least my ghost is present when some owner puts in a warranty claim 15 years from now. It is going to be a hell of a story from the factory rep. I also find that as the demand for this product keeps increasing, the quality is slipping. We have had cupping, and/or excessive expansion issues on several installs recently.. laminated backed products.

Floorwizard 05-03-2007 01:49 AM

the marketing push is not the lack of sanding mess because that has nothing to do with engineered. solids are prefinished as well. the marketing has to do with stability and versatility.
as fas as finishing warranties go....prefished floors are more abrasion resistant than on site finished products...but that has nothing to do with scratching.
chances are you are resanding that floor prior to resell anyway.

shotdown 05-03-2007 03:17 AM

I used to be a Real Estate Appraiser and although authentic hardwood floors may not bring you "more money", their are other ways to compare their value. For example, put yourself in a buyers shoes. If you were considering two houses that were almost identical and one had 8 year old 1/16" engineered flooring and the other 10 year old solid 3/4" which would you buy. If both were installed correctely and received comparable care, I would definately take the solids. Anybody can rationalize why they would rather have the engineered with scenarios like, " well I hate the color of the solid wood" or, "Well, it would be easier to change-out the engineered rather than the solid hardwoods. However, the assumption is, both floors are the same wood, same age, similar condition. Now for me, I don't think of the engineered flooring as being anything "Unique", since the majority are installing something other than solid 3/4". Sounds like an Attention Deficiet Hardwood Dependency! NOT! Solids feel well, SOLID!!

shotdown 05-03-2007 03:19 AM

OH, Bye the Way I don't know sh t about Hardwood Flooring but, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night! :thumbup:

Floorwizard 05-03-2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

If you were considering two houses that were almost identical and one had 8 year old 1/16" engineered flooring and the other 10 year old solid 3/4" which would you buy
I would wonder how you would be able to tell solid from engineered without looking at the box....
if the house had Kahrs engineered or 3/4 solid I would go either way.
There are some thin 3/8 solids out there too that look amazing in a home. So wood in a home is wood in a home....It will add value to the home...

KUIPORNG 05-03-2007 12:57 PM

My father's condo recently install engineering floating wood laminate... it is the top of the line product... but when I step on it.... still big difference from solid wood.... I think one reason may be the floating aspect of it.... or I don't know what... but I think for all flooring which requires puting some sort of soft underlayment... it is no longer felt pure wood no more...

Floorwizard 05-08-2007 11:56 AM

that is correct, if you float over a pad it will sound more hollow.
But you can still nail or glue it down. Most do not because they need the convienience of floating.


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