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danster44 03-16-2012 10:24 PM

Self adhesive vinyl tiles on new (un sealed) concrete?
 
I just got a terrific deal @Lowes on self adhesive tiles: gonna use them in the bunkhouse side of my Barn-do-- any concern about installing these right on unfinished (new) concrete slab? I'm thinking we wet mop the slab to get as much dust as we can, and then install the S.A. Tiles

Any concerns? Suggestions?

joecaption 03-16-2012 10:32 PM

Just a few reason I can think of off the top of my head to never use self sticking tiles.

The color does not go all the way through so as they were the white backing will show.
There going to shrink and have gaps open up between them.
Near impossible to lay in a straight line because of the high tack grip when they they first hit the floor.
Any moisture coming up through that floor will soften the glue.
Some will just not stay stuck down.
Any flaws in the concrete will show though the flooring.
Any flexing at the cracks or expantion cracks will tare the flooring.

danster44 03-16-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 879217)
Just a few reason I can think of off the top of my head to never use self sticking tiles.

The color does not go all the way through so as they were the white backing will show.
There going to shrink and have gaps open up between them.
Near impossible to lay in a straight line because of the high tack grip when they they first hit the floor.
Any moisture coming up through that floor will soften the glue.
Some will just not stay stuck down.
Any flaws in the concrete will show though the flooring.
Any flexing at the cracks or expantion cracks will tare the flooring.

Great points, but these were $.24/ sf and this is a weekend place: couldn't pass it up: plus the style/ color / pattern are decent, not tacky/ gaudy.
Inexpensive enough to rip up and replace in 3 yrs.

rusty baker 03-16-2012 10:43 PM

It takes a minimum of 112 days for a new 4" thick concrete slab to dry enough for any floorcovering.

danster44 03-16-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rusty baker (Post 879225)
It takes a minimum of 112 days for a new 4" thick concrete slab to dry enough for any floorcovering.

Thank you- slab was poured back in August, so we are way past 112 days. That is great info-

DrHicks 03-16-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by danster44 (Post 879222)
Great points, but these were $.24/ sf and this is a weekend place: couldn't pass it up: plus the style/ color / pattern are decent, not tacky/ gaudy.
Inexpensive enough to rip up and replace in 3 yrs.

I see a lot of self-sticking vinyl tiles, and I don't like any of them. I'll admit, though, that I've used some on occasion.

Honestly though, a quarter per square foot is a heckuva deal, assuming you don't mind having them on the floor. I mean, why not? What do you really have to lose?

If I were you, I'd save a little money for some better flooring, and do the job right before these vinyl tiles go completely to pieces.

danster44 03-16-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 879243)
I see a lot of self-sticking vinyl tiles, and I don't like any of them. I'll admit, though, that I've used some on occasion.

Honestly though, a quarter per square foot is a heckuva deal, assuming you don't mind having them on the floor. I mean, why not? What do you really have to lose?

If I were you, I'd save a little money for some better flooring, and do the job right before these vinyl tiles go completely to pieces.

With this deal, we're gonna spend more on the "great room" side of the barn-do: probably go ceramic tile or wood floor: originally we were gonna stain the concrete, but that seems too tedious and expensive.

hyunelan2 03-16-2012 11:11 PM

My parents put self stick tiles down directly on their concrete basement slab about 15 years ago. They are still there, never a problem (if you don't mind the vinyl appearance).

danster44 03-16-2012 11:15 PM

If I can figure it out , I'll post some pics when we get these down. I bought about 700 s.f. For about $175.

DrHicks 03-16-2012 11:17 PM

You've said, "barn-do" several times. Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what you're talking about. :huh:

rusty baker 03-16-2012 11:34 PM

Converting a barn to living space?

danster44 03-16-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 879262)
You've said, "barn-do" several times. Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what you're talking about. :huh:

Sorry- someone coined the term "barndominium" which is typically a metal building (barn) finished out for residential usage, and usually on acreage.

Mine is a 72'x 30' footprint, with 3 sections (30x24): the middle is a an un airconditioned dog-run" with 2 roll up garage doors on each side: the one end (30x 24) is our "bunkhouse" (3 bedrms, 2 baths, utility rm & small den; the other side is our "great room" -- 30x24 with a kitchen island and sink counter and a big living area.

oh'mike 03-17-2012 06:33 AM

Buy a jug of 'Bond enhancer' --Henry makes a good one---it is a thin watery primer that is painted on the surface before the tile is installed.

That will give you a good surface and will also take care of the dust that your vacuum cleaner misses.

Morganna 03-19-2012 01:44 AM

A Newbie Here...
 
I actually installed some vinyl tile about a year ago throughout much of the main traffic areas of my house. A few of the tiles have come up here and there, but some of that could be to installation error...:)

Before I laid the tile I made sure that the concrete was smooth and free of any paint or other debris by grinding it. I found the tiles stick way better that way. I then prepped by sweeping, vacuuming and then wiping with a damp cloth before applying primer.

I say it's a bargain if you don't put them in a high traffic area and stagger the joints. Be sure to float along the walls, and butt the tiles together but not too hard, and use vinyl tile grout! I say this with emphasis as the adhesive on the tiles doesn't create a water tight seal, or a dog pee tight seal in my case. Oh what joy to discover year old dog pee seeped under a bunch of these.

Overall, however, they've held up pretty well to my floor-abusive household. I am currently, however, trying to figure where to order the travertine tile with which I am slowly replacing it, if it anyone has any tips. Thoughts on Builddirect?

oh'mike 03-19-2012 06:21 AM

I think you will be far better off ordering tile locally----there are many ways to end up with a bad load of stone---breakage---poor color--with travertine--junk quality.

Local --you can inspect the order--reject the duds and broken tiles---mail order---your whole project stops while you mail the bad product back--wait for approval--and wait and hope the replacements are what you want.

I had one customer do that to me---half the summer was gone before her bath was complete. BAD PLAN


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