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Old 08-27-2013, 08:23 AM   #1
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My husband insisted that the kitchen floor, which we are laying vinyl plank over 'had to come up' yesterday afternoon.

I tried to educate him about the possibilities of the old sheet vinyl having asbestos in some part of it (3 layers...top layer was self-stick tile, i believe pretty recently installed before we bought the place) but he would not listen.

He went about cutting and tearing the stuff up in a dry state until I suggested him putting hot water to soften the paper backing and help the adhesive to come free on the bottom two layers. He used an oscillating power saw to cut through two layers of vinyl, and started peeling and ripping up the last layer which was strongly adhered to the cement floor.

There was/is a light grey paper (looks like thick construction paper) which is stuck to the concrete floor beneath. He didn't wear a mask or gloves.
I finally convinced him to stop and take some samples of all three layers including glue and paper backing, and get them to a local lab for testing at $40 a sample. He grumbled the whole time saying I was 'ridiculous' and that this was only delying our kitchen from getting done.

I convinced him to cover the floor with plastic and that the kitchen was 'closed' until we get the samples back (2-4 working days)
Our place in a condo in CA built in 1987, and I have done a ton of reading on the possibilities of it being asbestos, and had terrible dreams all night.
Anyway from what I have read he most likely got some of that stuff, whatever is it, into the air. I know if it's positive we probably will have to spend mucho $$ on abatement?
Advice on what to do? Should I file for divorce? I seriously had to beg him to stop...literally beg. I'm almost serious about the divorce question.


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Advice on what to do? Should I file for divorce? I seriously had to beg him to stop...literally beg. I'm almost serious about the divorce question.
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You will not need to hire an abatement company---

If the samples come back positive---wet down the flooring as you work---wear proper respirators--place a strong fan in the window--and plastic cover all of the doors.

Your state has instructions for removing asbestos----

1987?

Possible--but most companies had stopped using asbestos in flooring several years before that---
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Yes,that is supposed to be funny---

You have some real concerns and might not be ready for a laugh---
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You will not need to hire an abatement company---

If the samples come back positive---wet down the flooring as you work---wear proper respirators--place a strong fan in the window--and plastic cover all of the doors.

Your state has instructions for removing asbestos----

1987?

Possible--but most companies had stopped using asbestos in flooring several years before that---
I have read the instructions, and it scared the heck out of me, mostly because the stuff is practically treated like nuclear fallout or bio hazard (which I suppose it sort of is, just not bio-orginated). Anyway I'm concerned about contamination of our whole place. The AC was running, no plastic sheeting was up, no protective measures were taken at all. The oscillating saw was making a fine powder right where the blade worked on the stuff, and it smelled like burning plastic (duh). Anyway, thanks for the reassurance. I'm still worried though and probably will be until we get the results. I guess I'm lucky to have a testing lab within 5 miles of me.
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Yes,that is supposed to be funny---

You have some real concerns and might not be ready for a laugh---
I've just been up all night trying to find pictures of what the asbestos-paper stuff looks like and I have found one or two examples but I hate drawing false conclusions. I'm ready for a laugh, I was just not sure how to have one right now. I swear I almost slept out on the balcony last night.
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Please, do see your post.
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Please, do see your post.
Were you trying to be funny?
Halfway.
I was really kind of pissed that he would not listen and kept going even after I asked him to stop. I had to ask him like 20 times to stop. I told him before we even started I wanted to have it tested and he said I was 'silly' because the information about the asbestos-containing floor felt paper backing being banned in the early 80s (now I know it was actually later than that) negated concern (for him).
I was on the phone with a testing lab and they were telling me about what he could be doing (making a lot airborne by ripping the vinyl layer off of the paper layer) and I was not exactly panicking, but trying to be informative and insistent.

He still didn't listen, and I feel he put both of us in danger just so he could have his way.
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Sounds like he's a jerk.
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Sounds like he's a jerk.
He is sometimes. And I am sometimes.
He came to me with a sincere apology, so at least there's that...and he knows what we'll have to do if its positive.
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Good luck---the clean up is tedious but not difficult---damp rags and a heppa filter in the vacuum---
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Good luck---the clean up is tedious but not difficult---damp rags and a heppa filter in the vacuum---
Yes we are probably going to rent a professional HEPA vaccuum if we can, but not sure if its possible. I think my preliminary plan is to damp mop and wet wipe everything, room by room, throw away all fabric items, then pay for an air quality test.
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Untwist your knickers. Stop being a worrying harpie. You will die of any number of other things WELL before any exposure to asbestos ever would. Especially for something as trivial as this job. And even if it is positive it's not all that difficult to deal with.
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Ok, so attaching a pic of all three layers in case anyone has some input on the appearance. Even though its kind of hard to see, that last layer is quite flexible, but it's shiny/plastic layer peeled away from the paper backing.
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