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Old 08-25-2009, 03:08 PM   #1
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Removal of underlayment under toe space


What method one can uses (tool) in removal of the underlayment under a cabinet toe space without removal of cabinet ? Any one uses a toe saw or a Rockville sonic crafter? Can you get the the sonic crafter under the 3 1/2" toe space and follow the face of the base and cut the layment?
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Rent a toekick saw:




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If you will be re-installing a new floor that also requires underlayment, just leave the old underlayment in the toe kick space and butt the new up against it.



If you need to remove the old underlayment to install ceramic or hardwood floors, you have some other options in addition to renting a toe-kick saw.
  1. Buy one from Harbor Freight. I believe they sell theirs for under $40 when it goes on sale. You usually get what you pay for, but the purchase may be less costly than rental. And you can re-sell it after the job to recoup some of the purchase price.
  2. You can just score the old underlayment with a Stanley knife and snap the underlayment off along the score line - assuming the old underlayment is luan and you don't have too much of it to remove. New luan underlayment is not cut to fit with a saw when it is installed. It is measured, scored, and snapped.
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If you will be re-installing a new floor that also requires underlayment, just leave the old underlayment in the toe kick space and butt the new up against it.
If you do this, make certain that a standard height dishwasher will still fit under the counter top - I've see remodeling contractors end up buying their clients very expensive Fisher Paykel dishwashers (which will install in a lower opening than others) when the old dishwasher would no longer fit after the florr was raised...
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If you do this, make certain that a standard height dishwasher will still fit under the counter top - I've see remodelig contractors end up buying their clients very expensive Fisher Paykel dishwashers (which will install in a lower opening than others) when the old dishwasher would no longer fit after the flor was raised...
I assumed if the old underlayment goes under the existing base cabinets, it must go under the existing dishwasher too. But you did identify a good point to verify the clearance provided by the old dishwasher opening will accept the intended new appliance.
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Rent a toekick saw:



That's the one I own & it works great.



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I assumed if the old underlayment goes under the existing base cabinets, it must go under the existing dishwasher too. But you did identify a good point to verify the clearance provided by the old dishwasher opening will accept the intended new appliance.

Clearance is just one good reason to pull the dishwasher & lay your new flooring under it. If you ever have a leak from the dishwasher, with the flooring going under the dishwasher, you'll see the leak out in front before it's had time to completely saturate the floor from below.
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MI-Roger, "Buy one from Harbor Freight. I believe they sell theirs for under $40 when it goes...."
If I can get one as cheap as that,it be wonderful just to finish my job. Where can you rent ne? Home D epot did not have one. Home Depot do sell an odd brand "Dommell "or something llike that(100.00). I'm trying to cut off the 3/8 partical bd under the toe space at the vanity. I plan on installing Hardie 500 board with thin set for tile in my Masterbath. If I leave a 1/2" of remaining partical board would I have a problem with the .42" Hardie500 board? I have a T&G subfloor. Will I be able to match the level of the 3/8" board if I don't completely remove the partial board?(I be skiming 1/4" thin set on back of the Hardie board and screw every 8"o.c.)
Michael: Where can I rent a toe kick saw?
Oh anyone uses a Rockville sonic crafter?That seem to be another tool that can cut a straight cut under the toe space. I think?
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I used a HF saw and it's fine. The depth of cut is fixed but there's a way to get around that. I used it to cut out the old subfloor all the way to the walls and wanted to make certain I wasn't cutting into the joists.

I will tell you what other ppl told me - hold it firmly with both hands and be alert when using it. This thing has a nasty way of going places it doesn't belong

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Too much movement of the underlayment . Ugh!!!underlayment not secured to subfloor or the finish tile not sticking to the underlayment.
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Any body uses this tool to cut into toe space? I think this may be as good as the kick saw. What do you all think?


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