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Old 05-12-2008, 08:37 AM   #31
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Off topic....who's off topic??? *lmao* We should start a thread just for misc. gibberish!
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:51 AM   #32
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*lol*, there's another take on it!! We normally score and snap ceramic installs our guys all have sigmas which can do a whole array of cuts without using a wet saw and they cut much quicker, they can probably do 4 or 5 score cuts to one saw cut! And as far as the mortar goes our base one IS modified, it's just not super modified, we carry three levels of modified, we term them to the public 1. ceramic on concrete, 2. any other interior installation and 3. exterior installation and slate. Then we also deal with white mortar which is modified in the middle range for marble and granite.

OK, so I don't use modified ALL the time. Each situation is different. Typically, if it's a floor, I use Ditra. In that case I use Kerabond over and Kerabond/Keralastic under. For non-Ditra, I may use Ultraflex II for a backsplash or Ultraflex III for tiling over slab. Natural stone is per install requirements...white or grey as needed.

Yes, I agree a score/snap cutter is MUCH faster but I feel like all thumbs when I use one. I just stick to the trusty wet saw.

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The subfloor is plywood. My husband thinks that it will be too difficult for us "me" to install regular tile. I'm looking for the easiest install that can be accomplished in the least amount of time. The room is a bedroom that renters have destroyed the carpet numerous times. I've even looked at carpet tiles, but those would have to be replaced after each renter.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:59 AM   #34
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How much glass do you do? Our guys HATE installing glass tiles on backsplashes/bathroom walls! It's become such a trend up her we're doing them weekly now. Is it the same down there?
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Angus242, I read the John Bridge professional site yesterday. I read it all the way through. It was quite entertaining, but had no concrete information about SnapStone. No one on the site had personally used it. I keep googling trying to find information about it's success rate, but can't find any. Is there any one out there who has used this product???????
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:20 AM   #36
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Yep. Glass is trendy. However, I don't install a lot of it. Lots of people interested in it UNTIL they see the price. It can easily be $60/sq ft and go up from there. Once price comes into play, that changes things. I am now seeing it more for accent purposes or listellos. I personally have not done a 100% glass back splash and can see how it would be time consuming. I suppose it really matters if the glass is see-through or not. Obviously, see-through glass need to have a perfect thinset layer so as not to see trowel marks. As with a lot of tiling materials, I think it has it's place. I think it is best used in moderation. As an accent row it can be really stunning. As 100% field, it gets too trendy and I start thinking 1978 all over again!
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Angus242, I read the John Bridge professional site yesterday. I read it all the way through. It was quite entertaining, but had no concrete information about SnapStone. No one on the site had personally used it. I keep googling trying to find information about it's success rate, but can't find any. Is there any one out there who has used this product???????
Nancy,

I thought the very first post was informative enough. Snapstone, or similar products are relatively new to the market and therefore, and not yet tried and true. You will be hard pressed to find concrete (no pun intended) information about the longevity of these products just yet.
IMHO, there is no REPLACEMENT for ceramic tile. It is just an additional flooring option. As dochorn already suggested maybe a DIY tile project is in your future? If not, then you are at the mercy of the relatively little info about floating tile floors.
To be honest, I thought Bud's comments on Snapstone were an endorsement from a very qualified individual. I understand your concern but you need to realize what you're inquiring about. You are kind of stuck....it's either a DIY tile install or using a new product that's not time tested. I'll be the first to say that tiling is not easy. However, it's most certainly not rocket science either. There is so much information on the internet, if you can follow instructions, you most certain CAN install ceramic tile yourself. Just be aware that preparation and choice of installation materials are very important. Follow ALL manufacturers directions and you should be fine.
Either that or you need to start upping your rent to include new carpet each year!
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Sorry for the late response, fellas. I forgot about this over the weekend.

I hope the PEI 3 rating is well enough. It's for my bathroom, but I'm sure it'll see no stress beyond some water, mats, bare feet and maybe a few wet towels.

As far as price, I kind of went into this blind, so I really don't know if I over or under paid. I was happy that I bought it at a local shop (tile only) and not a big retailer. I also like that it's US made. Makes me feel that much better.

Anyway!, I think I was originally quoted around $5/sq.ft. My bathroom is 8.5x8.5 minus the shower/tub unit. I think I purchased 64 or 72 sq.ft. plus the grout plus the mastic. (btw, I'll double check the mastic to be sure it's made for porcelain and I'll have to read the other responses as I'm at work and have a lot to catch up on. They recommended each item. I took their word.). So with the tile (64-72 sq.ft.), grout, mastic and spacers, I think it ran me about $323.

Thanks for the tip on the saw, too. I'll rent one for the weekend.

Thanks again for the information. Oh yeah, I'll double check the back of my tile to see how it looks. I just know it's rough and has a cross hatch/square layout. Let me know if you guys have any more Q's.



I just checked and the mastic is 'full flex latex thinset mortar.' I'm putting the tile on a cement slab and this is what the tile people suggested. I hope they're right! (I think it said latex.. maybe it said polymer... I'll eventually double check)

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You do have MORTAR don't you? MASTIC is whitish grey glue that is premade and should really only be used on a kitchen backplash REGARDLESS of the fact that the container says floor and wall adhesive! If you read closely it actually says not to be used on a floor with tiles larger than 6"x6". I hope you just used the wrong word and you actually have mortar. It will be in a bag and it's powder and you need to mix it with water. If they sold you PREMADE crap, take it back and get the powder form. Premade crap is just that, crap! Mortar especially for the floor should be made as you need it, not premade. And I hope most of all they didn't try to advise you on using mastic (glue) on your floor! (and yes your mortar should be polymer modified, and should have cost around 15-25 bux for the 50lb bag which would do your whole job), and you should be fine with a 4 kg bag/bucket of grout as long as you're using about a 3/16" spacer which is the most common size for floors at our place (powder again, NOT premade!). I am NOT a fan of ANYTHING premade, think about it, plastic breathes, so the curing of the product has already started before you've even brought it home from the store!
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Sorry for the scare!! It's not mastic. It is certainly a powder mortar.

It does not say polymer. It says "Full Flex Latex Modified Thin Set Mortar." I could read the fine print, but polymer was not printed in text large enough to see at a glance.

My grout is also a powder.
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It'll be fine, you're going on concrete you said and it is modified, glad to hear it's a powder!

And just a note of correction that I didn't catch on your last posting.....I personally....am not a fella!!! But I'll take the sorry all the same for not replying quicker!! *lol*
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Well shoot. In all my years on the internet, you're the first to call me out on that.

Anyway, thanks for your willingness to help, tiger.
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Well, glad I didn't offend! I'm always second guessed because I'm female at my work, and I tend to probably take things more personally than I should, always thinking people only think MEN can know anything about construction!

I've actually had customers ask me to speak to a "guy" please, not knowing I know more then that "guy" because the only guy on staff at the moment is our warehouse guy! *lol* I just humour them and get him anyways! (he then sends them back to me when he doesn't know the answers, the looks on some of their faces are priceless!!)
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Well, glad I didn't offend! I'm always second guessed because I'm female at my work, and I tend to probably take things more personally than I should, always thinking people only think MEN can know anything about construction!

I've actually had customers ask me to speak to a "guy" please, not knowing I know more then that "guy" because the only guy on staff at the moment is our warehouse guy! *lol* I just humour them and get him anyways! (he then sends them back to me when he doesn't know the answers, the looks on some of their faces are priceless!!)
dochorn, you're awesome, I feel like such a fool for assuming you were a man. I think it was the name, I thought you were like "Doctor Horn" and maybe this was a hobby. I sincerely apologize!
However when you started setting "everyone straight" I realized something here is not right, this can't be a doctor that does tile work for a hobby, this is the "most" informed and knowledgeable person I have ever talked to or read responses from since I have been investigating the finishing of my kitchen floor. You answered everyone in an informative way without once making them feel foolish like some of the participants have done. Once again I apologize, it won't happen again, I hope.

This kitchen floor was starting to get out of hand since I had no idea and couldn't get a decent answer on the work to be performed till you jumped to the rescue.
I went to the floor dealer today and told him I wanted a firm price in writing on installing Congoleum Dura Ceramic in my kitchen, he then stated it was going to cost me $1356.00 for the complete in installation. This tile runs about 3 to $4.00 around here per sq ft. I floor is right at 100 sq ft, so that = $400.00 for the Dura Ceramic tile and $956.00 for installation. This is the same guy who started talking $800.00 or so in the beginning. It's not real tile, it's more like vinyl with the companies grout that you can install to look like real tile. We had a few words and he will not be doing any work for me I am happy to say. He actually became appalled and told me it was going to take his two tile installers over half a day to complete the job!!!!!!!!!!!

Then you came along and told the truth about things and straightened me and others out.
For the money they were asking I can get the real thing (ceramic/porcelain) installed like AdamB500 is doing in his bathroom with a heck of a lot more to choose from.

When you talked about things being higher in Canada you were definitely not kidding, I used to go up there fishing and things were a lot higher than in the states but the US learns fast and is catching up faster then you would believe. Price differences here are going through the roof in "everything".
I am also looking into getting/finding an installer for new windows and getting replies that are utterly ridiculous, but if people are uninformed they have the habit of listening to the wrong people.

Take care and the best of luck with the delivery, if you're stuck for a name I have a real name you can use, LOL. If you ever need help with anything in the states just ask and I'll see what I can do.

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dochorn, I tried to send you a private message but it seems I need to make 20 posts before I can send someone a PM. When I get 20 I'll let you know what I had on my mind.
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