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Old 02-15-2013, 09:54 PM   #16
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Second just because labor costs are cheaper in Texas doesn't mean everyone is illegal.
I don't remember anyone saying that. But, because of that reason and because there is no licensing requirements in TX, labor rates get driven down. Of course there are many laborers that do excellent work, however they can't be good and legal, (business wise), and work for the kind of rates you were quoted. Those are fill-in rates.

Your room is small and I also encourage you to try it yourself. But;
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I pull up the quieter round and lay the tile to the baseboards right?
Wrong. I wouldn't do that.

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Old 02-15-2013, 09:56 PM   #17
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So I just butt the tile up to the quarter round and not the baseboard then?

Also given I've got concrete underneath the vinyl, I shouldn't need anything in between besides the mortar right?
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So I just butt the tile up to the quarter round and not the baseboard then?
Absolutely not. You have to remove the shoe molding for sure. It would be best to remove the base too, but if that creates problems with other rooms, leave it. But you should not butt tiles to the base. And do not grout the 1/4" gap you will leave either. The gap needs to be left open or you can caulk it, then replace with new shoe molding.

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Also given I've got concrete underneath the vinyl, I shouldn't need anything in between besides the mortar right?
That's not a good plan either. Who told you that? ah. .... nevermind.

Although it can be done, it will be more risky even if everything is in perfect condition, (which is very rare). I'd need to know more about the vinyl and confirm that it's stuck well enough over 100% of the floor. Which again is very rare. Plus most sheet vinyls have a cushioned center, although I don't recall you saying specifically what type of vinyl you have. Is it sheet or vinyl tiles? Got a pic, how old?

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So the existing floor is vinyl sheets. It is still well applied and will have to be removed.

The home is about 10 years old and in great shape
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As I thought. That floor is cushioned, although not much. It's a printed pattern with foam between the pvc wear layer and the backing.

It's probably glued 100%, but not necessarily. Often those kinds of floors are loose-laid or perimeter glued. In any case we find that almost every one, even if 100% glued, will have some loose areas that are obvious. Easy to find once the moldings are gone. Tap with the handle of a screwdriver or something. It's the not so obvious that cause problems down the road.

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Didn't you imply otherwise earlier?

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This has been very helpful information. What do you recommend I put down between concrete and mortar?
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Excellent advice. I'll likely do it myself.

What mind sound like a stupid question but...

I pull up the quieter round and lay the tile to the baseboards right? Then lay down new quarter round when done.
Right?
Never put the tile all the way tight to the walls, there must be a gap to allow for expansion, 1/2" is probably enough for a normal room and you cover the gap with your baseboard and/or quarter round moulding.
The moulding is likely deep enough to easily cover that gap, if not you may have to get bigger.
Don't fill that gap with anything hard like thinset, grout or strips of wood either.
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Since you're gonna remove the vinyl, you'll need to scrape/cut the adhesive down to the concrete. Do not use chemical though. Then depending on what you find you can just go directly over the slab or use a membrane of some type.

I'm not familiar with the soil/concrete conditions there, but if anything like Houston, a membrane would be a good idea. Seems the soil cracks and is not stable down there. I'm not sure about San Antonio. You in or near?

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Since you're gonna remove the vinyl, you'll need to scrape/cut the adhesive down to the concrete. Do not use chemical though. Then depending on what you find you can just go directly over the slab or use a membrane of some type.

I'm not familiar with the soil/concrete conditions there, but if anything like Houston, a membrane would be a good idea. Seems the soil cracks and is not stable down there. I'm not sure about San Antonio. You in or near?

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I live in San Antonio and the soil (at least where I live) is pretty stable. We've got about 8 inches of soil and then thick, hard Texas caliche which keeps homes in the non-flooding areas pretty well situated in terms of avoiding foundation related problems. Also there's a vapor barrier on the foundation itself already so I *think* I'm ok to just lay the mortar directly on top of the concrete once i remove all the adhesive from the vinyl.

I appreciate all your help. I'm now certain I'm going to do this myself - perhaps next weekend!
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Ok, good deal Joe. Look for cracks in the slab when you get that far.

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