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Old 05-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #16
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I didn't think this thing would be so bad when I started it.

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Old 05-25-2013, 09:39 AM   #17
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We'll wash the floor with bleach and detergent, and rent an air mover. Then we'll do all the things you listed, oh'mike. Looks like this'll cost less then $300.

Do we need to put the underlayment underneath the flooring, or is that optional?

Do we need to staple the flooring? I can rent a flooring stapler.

Does anyone know any methods to jigsawing tongue and groove veneer back together?
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:32 PM   #18
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We've got lumber and cement underlayment and lumber on will call, 'til Home Depot gets their truck back. We'll finish tearing up the floor and start cleaning now. They didn't have any tool rentals, so no air mover, #fml. We may need to pick up leveling cement. Also, we got a suit and paper respirators. So far, so good. It's getting a bit more expensive then we expected, though.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:25 PM   #19
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You did not answer my questions.
Is the extra floor height needed? Can you just use the slab?

What flooring are you installing?

What is the condition of the slab?
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Old 05-25-2013, 06:05 PM   #20
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oh'mike,
I stated in the post thirteen that it needs to be 1.5" to match with the rest of the floor in the house. I don't know what a slab is supposed to look like, but I'll start uploading pics when we start cleaning. Also, in post thirteen, "we're hoping to use the same tongue and groove that we removed." I don't think we can just lay it on the slab unless we layer a bunch of plywood again, and that'd be too expensive anyway.

We may get different flooring. The owner is worried we may not fit the old stuff back in.

It also seems that, where I thought the floor turned into concrete, underneath the washer and dryer, is the same continuing floor, covered in leveling compound, so I couldn't recognize it. We can't worry about it now, but I'll have to get to it, or have someone do it, when I get work again.

The lumber and cement board are outside, raised and tarped for rain. I'm ripping up what I can and we'll be washing the slab tonight.

I'm waiting on help to get back. There's a fiasco with the truck.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:41 PM   #21
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**** just got a lot worse. They used the leveling compound across a lot more of the plywood then I thought. It seems that the rot reaches under the cabinets.

Is there any way in hell this isn't going to be an absolutely horrible experience?
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:02 PM   #22
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How do I change the title of this thread? I want to add "[URGENT]" to it.

Could a moderator temporarily pin this thread? It would be a huge favor. I can't take the time to do research, and we don't have much money to spend on this.

We're trying to get extra hands on this, but we don't know many people. As it stands I'm the only laborer in the house.
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I added to your title---Sounds like the job is getting bigger, I hope the land lord is helping with the expenses.
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Old 05-25-2013, 11:52 PM   #24
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It's not an apartment. It's my girlfriend's house.

We talked about homeowners insurance. Especially since it passed all the inspections. I'm gonna ask Veterans Affairs if I can get an expedited loan, though.

As this goes on, the craftsmanship of this kitchen keeps wowing me at how blatantly poor it is.

It looks like we aren't washing tonight. Not until we get the cabinets out, which we need more hardware for, 'cus the guy couldn't even use the right screws. Not an hour ago, I found two screws hanging off the back of the cabinet, stripped, and not securing anything.

Also, can anyone tell me what this is, and what should I do about it.




oh'mike, you suggested, "an old cistern or well pump hole." I think this may be it.
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A plywood subfloor would nicely bridge any minor waves in the existing floor, and leveling compound would help, too. You'll have to make sure your joists can handle the addition of more weight: 3/4" plywood subfloor and 3/4" hardwood. That's a lot of weight. On the bottom, you could always sister the joists and add a few adjustable columns to strengthen the joists to handle the additional weight.
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katyhome, at the moment, after we clean, the plan is this:
-leveling compound
-Cement underlayment
-1*4 sleepers, 16" on center
-3/4" Plywood, tongue and groove
-tongue and groove veneer flooring

We can't afford too much at all. This project is taking money we can't spend.
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That is a floor drain and the concrete cuts were made to install the pipe.

You mentioned concrete backer board.--what is that going to be used for?
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oh'mike, the guy at Home Depot said the cement board was a more effective underlayment then vapor barrier. It might crack when we're setting the nails in, but that won't reduce it's effectiveness.

We have to go pick up more stuff now. Hopefully it'll be getting washed tonight, so I don't have to keep buying more $12 suits.
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I thinks mike's point is, do you "need" to raise the floor level, or could you just put the laminate right to the slab with a vapor barrier and a small step with a threshold.

This would eliminate recreating the mess you are tearing out now. Also the expense.
I also think the cement board is not needed and will throw off the 1.5 hight you are trying to achieve.

You also say you want to install the same tongue and groove flooring that is already there. This looks like laminate to me.
You may get lucky and find the exact same flooring that is in the house now, and can connect to the old.
Every manufacturer makes their own tongue and groove, one brand will not work on another.
So it is doubtful you could achieve the flowing look anyways. Will need to end the existing floor at the doorway, use a threshold and start the new floor. How bad would it be to have a small step at this point?

I would suggest you slow down a bit, do not buy anything yet. Tear out what you need to, get everything cleaned up, make a plan and then go for it.
Laminate flooring is really not a great choice for a wet area like a kitchen.
I seen some 12"x12" tile at home depot for $1.09 A dollar a square foot.

I have to wonder why the floor was built up in the first place, did they do the same to the rest of the house also?
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Forget the cement backer board----that is not for use over concrete---

Lay down a sheet of heavy plastic----then wood sleepers (1x4) ---then your plywood

The sleepers will allow some air space under the plywood---and give you a place to screw the ply.

Like Funfool suggested, clean up the mess----then sit back and figure the best plan--we will help--
then get the materials needed.

If the slab is not in to bad of a condition, you might find that ceramic tile over the slab
might be the simplest and cheapest way to fix this.

The height difference to the adjoining room can be fixed with a tapered wood transition.

Ceramic tile can take a flood without damage---Just one possible fix---Mike-----

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