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DoingMySelf 12-07-2012 10:18 PM

Old and new tiles transition
 
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Hello,

I have found tiles to add to the current OLD tiles.
Confused how to do the looking good transition old to new.
transition line is about 8 ' wide in very bright room (during the day).

Seattle2k 12-09-2012 02:32 AM

What exactly is the problem? Is there a height difference? What exactly are you transitioning? Maybe a picture with a wider view would help.

joecaption 12-09-2012 09:21 AM

Are those linolium tiles?

DoingMySelf 12-09-2012 11:06 AM

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The tiles on the left is ceramic 8x8 and I would like to keep it. The tile on the right is 12x12 and I am buying new 8x8 to put it over the old 12x12. There are to issues : hieghts difference in transition area and that grout gap on installed 8x8 about 1/2" to 5/8" and I want to put new tiles on right side with grout gap 1/8".

Seattle2k 12-09-2012 11:46 PM

Are you planning to put the new tile over the old? Or are you going to tear up the old? If you're going to tear up the old, then joecaption's question is an important one, as that may very well be asbestos-containing vinyl tiles.

Once you have decided whether to tile over the old, or tear up the old, let us know what the height different between the subfloor (which would be the existing vinyl tile, if you decide to keep them in place) and the top of the existing left-side tile. Ideally, you want both to be at the same height at the end, but it's not always possible. The grout gapping shouldn't be anything to worry about.

DoingMySelf 12-11-2012 11:30 PM

height different between the subfloor (which would be the existing vinyl tile) 3/8"

Thare are 2 levels of old vinyl tiles as I removed a small part so 5/8" difference now.

keep it or not?
350 sqf total, but only 10% bad tiles.

What precausions if it is with asbestos?:huh:

Seattle2k 12-12-2012 04:23 PM

You can take a piece of the tile to an asbestos testing lab, if you are considering pulling them up. But, get it tested before pulling up the whole floor. If the test comes back positive for asbestos, you'll want to get a proper crew in to do the removal. Or, if the remaining tiles are all sound, you can just leave them in place and tile over them with modified thinset. If you leave them in place, you just might be at the right height, to avoid needing any transition piece. You would fill any voids from missing tiles w/ leveling compound/filler.

On the other hand, if you rip out the old tile, you may need to add 1/4 or 1/2 cement backer to bring the height up. If it were me and the tile came back negative for asbestos, I would just rip it all out and start fresh.

zakany 12-13-2012 09:07 AM

On a positive note, it is unlikely that ceramic tiles - even pre-1970 - contain asbestos. I've only found it in linoleum-looking tiles, and only in 9-inch ones. Asbestos was banned in the '70s. By all means, get it tested, though, if you plan to cut or remove them. You do not want to put yourself or your customers in danger.

A nice transition might be a strip of black tile.

Seattle2k 12-13-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zakany (Post 1072261)
On a positive note, it is unlikely that ceramic tiles - even pre-1970 - contain asbestos. I've only found it in linoleum-looking tiles, and only in 9-inch ones. Asbestos was banned in the '70s. By all means, get it tested, though, if you plan to cut or remove them. You do not want to put yourself or your customers in danger.

A nice transition might be a strip of black tile.


Thanks for jumping in. Reading back through, I see the thread-starter has not confirmed what type of tile is on the right-hand side.

DoingMySelf 12-13-2012 08:57 PM

tiles on right side of photo are vinyl 12x12, but there are other tiles - vinyl as well under those 12x12 as well.
I will check about testing, as I must cut a bout 8 ' x 2" tranch for water supply.
Well I like to start fresh as well.
I will keep you updated


Thanks!!:thumbsup:

zakany 12-14-2012 12:10 PM

Chances are the 12-in tiles are fine. Get them tested, especially if they're possibly '70s vintage or older. I've only found asbestos in the 9-in tiles, though.

JazMan 12-14-2012 12:34 PM

Zakany,

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Originally Posted by zakany
On a positive note, it is unlikely that ceramic tiles - even pre-1970 - contain asbestos. I've only found it in linoleum-looking tiles, and only in 9-inch ones. Asbestos was banned in the '70s.

Since when did ceramic tiles contain asbestos? Typo, or you misunderstood. You're also wrong about only 9x9 tiles containing asbestos. Also, I believe asbestos in some composition tiles was not banned (for production, not sale), until the '80's, (talc was/is substituted), and old stock was probably sold well into the '90's.

Asphalt tiles were mainly 9x9. Vinyl-Asbestos (VAT) came in 9x9 12x12 and other sizes including rectangular. Asbestos was the off-white backing of many sheet goods for flooring.

Having said that, I don't think removing VAT is dangerous as long as you don't grind it or sand it breathing the fibers and then for many years. But still one should take care not to make tile-dust by keeping it damp while removing. There are instructions available for safe removal.

Jaz


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