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Old 03-30-2010, 08:19 AM   #1
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I'm finally towards the end of this second bathroom

Schluter has two sizes listed on there site for putting the Ditra Down.

1/4" x 3/16"

5/16" x 5/16"

http://www.schluter.com/5793.aspx

1/4" x 3/8" 1/4" is Normal for setting a 13x13 tile right

I JUST CAME BACK FROM THE STORE LOST!!!


I could not find a "5/16" Trowel or even a "1/4-3/16-1/4" for the life of me

Not from the $4.00 Bin or the $15.00 ones

I went to Home Depot & Rona, Millwork and home hardware

The only place I didn't try was Lowe's

I was lost so I thought I would come back home and get more info.

I did see some

1/2x1/2x1/2

1/4x1/4x1/4

The Notch size really did look like it would give a nice notch size in the thin-set for the Ditra to Grab.

But I really wasn't sure

The only thing I bought today was

1,1/4" x 3/8"x1/4"
2,3/16"x5x32"-Teeth look very small
2,1/8" Spacers
3,Grout float

I really need help,Can't find any Trowel Sizes Ditra Recommends

This Bathroom is killing me,already having chest pains as ItIs

Thank you

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I'm by no means a flooring expert but I did just lay down some Ditra this past weekend. I used a 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 square notch trowel. This is the trowel that was recommended in John Bridge's book.

That's too bad about John's forum. I've been using it for my current bathroom reno as well and those guys answer my questions extremely quick. Between this forum and that one I can usually get any answer I need for my bathroom.
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The people are great over there,have gotten a lot of help over there

It's the mods using there magic buttons that i've had enough with ,merging topics when they have nothing to do with the other topic.
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I know John Bridge. John Bridge (and some of the mods) is a friend of mine. Usually threads are merged when they are about the same project, as they should be. Sorry you had a problem.

I'd be interested in reading the thread that recommended you use a 1/4x1/4x1/4" trowel to install Ditra. I've heard of people using a worn 1/4x1/4x1/4",, but the full 1/4" is way too much.

Originally Schluter asked us to use a 1/4x3/16 V trowel to install Ditra. After my first 2-3 jobs, I decided that was not enough thin set. I cut deeper grooves in the trowel and used what I guess was about 5/16" V. Several years later they added a 5/16" V to their recommendations.

Last year they came out with a trowel made especially for Ditra. It's a 11/64" (4.5 mm x4.5 mm). I believe they say any of the three is fine. The smaller V shouldn't be too hard to find, I doubt you'll find any of the others, especially at the stores you're shopping at.

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I know John Bridge. John Bridge (and some of the mods) is a friend of mine. Usually threads are merged when they are about the same project, as they should be. Sorry you had a problem.

I'd be interested in reading the thread that recommended you use a 1/4x1/4x1/4" trowel to install Ditra. I've heard of people using a worn 1/4x1/4x1/4",, but the full 1/4" is way too much.

Originally Schluter asked us to use a 1/4x3/16 V trowel to install Ditra. After my first 2-3 jobs, I decided that was not enough thin set. I cut deeper grooves in the trowel and used what I guess was about 5/16" V. Several years later they added a 5/16" V to their recommendations.

Last year they came out with a trowel made especially for Ditra. It's a 11/64" (4.5 mm x4.5 mm). I believe they say any of the three is fine. The smaller V shouldn't be too hard to find, I doubt you'll find any of the others, especially at the stores you're shopping at.

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Thanks Jaz,you've helped me a few times(do you have a direct line)

Turns out I can get the 11/64"x11/64"

They want $29.00(Ordered it)

Marshmellow trowel wants $26 for 1/4"x3/16"

They don't have a direct store that is even near me and the install starts wed so the thin-set can cure before I tile thur-fri.

I'm hitting up special stores in Toronto just to make sure

I figure I should just pay the money for the Ditra trowel as they did make it to work with there products and guarantee 100%

I just don't know how long I need the Ultraflex 2 to cure

thanks
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Where a bouts in the GTA are you?

You can start setting tiles on Ditra right away. No need to let anything cure.

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Where a bouts in the GTA are you?

You can start setting tiles on Ditra right away. No need to let anything cure.

Jaz

Woodbine area

The Beaches,they changed it to the beach but will always be the beaches to me.

So you still think 100% the 1/4x3x8x1/4 is fine for the 13x13 Porcelain tile still.

To the Ditra trowel should I just spend the $29 and be done with it,have you had good results when you used it on your installs.

11/64x11/64

Before you changed to the 5/16 V notch

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Woodbine, that's east of downtown I think. The only good tile company I know is located in Aurora, and I'm not positive which trowel they have. I would get a 1/4x3/16 V and make the grooves deeper, or find a 3/16 square.

The 1/4x3/8x1/4 is my standard trowel for tiles that size. Even 1/4x1/2 if the tiles are thick or the backs texture more than normal. It also depends on how you hold the trowel. Set a few, then remove and inspect for min. 85% transfer. Careful how you remove a tile though. You might lift the Ditra too. Wide putty knife or trowel and slide tile up.

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Woodbine, that's east of downtown I think. The only good tile company I know is located in Aurora, and I'm not positive which trowel they have. I would get a 1/4x3/16 V and make the grooves deeper, or find a 3/16 square.

The 1/4x3/8x1/4 is my standard trowel for tiles that size. Even 1/4x1/2 if the tiles are thick or the backs texture more than normal. It also depends on how you hold the trowel. Set a few, then remove and inspect for min. 85% transfer. Careful how you remove a tile though. You might lift the Ditra too. Wide putty knife or trowel and slide tile up.

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Tile-master that's where I bought my Ditra $1.39 SQ and my Unicom
Starker Porcelain tile.

Went to the Barrie Ont location

I will look for the 3/16 trowel today,if no luck I will buy the 11/64x11/64

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Yes indeed Tile Master. You went to the Barrie location?...Huh. You like taking rides?

Very nice people at Tile Master.

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I'd be interested in reading the thread that recommended you use a 1/4x1/4x1/4" trowel to install Ditra. I've heard of people using a worn 1/4x1/4x1/4",, but the full 1/4" is way too much.
I'm sure it's in the forums somewhere but in John's "Tile Your World" book there is a section on Ditra and he says that on plywood and smooth concrete subfloors he uses a 1/4 x 1/4 square notch trowel. I looked this morning just to make sure before I reposted.

I figured if its good enough for someone of John's experience, it's good enough for me. So that's what I ended up using and the Ditra went down with no problems.
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Not sure what you read, but John has always said he could use a "well worn" 1/4x1/4 trowel for the job. In any case it's not rocket science, the process is fairly forgiving but you really should follow directions from the manufacturer.


Ditra is going to go down well regardless if you use too much thin set under it. Schulter doesn't want you to negate its uncoupling properties though. Applying too much thin set will tend to do just that.

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Ditra is going to go down well regardless if you use too much thin set under it. Schulter doesn't want you to negate its uncoupling properties though. Applying too much thin set will tend to do just that.
Hey JazMan, correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of Ditra is that it bonds tightly to the substrate and then uncouples itself from the tile above it, not vice-versa. That would mean too much thinset underneath wouldn't affect the uncoupling (unless you just went WAY overboard), however too much thinset on top would. Right?

I'm just a weekend warrior, per your signature you're way more experienced than I am but that's my understanding...am I wrong?

Also, I see you're a Kerdi shower expert, I've got that part of my project coming up quickly. I've laid the mud bed and got all the drywall up and ready to be kerdi'd. Keeping my fingers crossed everything goes well with that. Any words of wisdom?

K.M.G. - that looks to be the proper size trowel.....

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