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busted 11-26-2011 10:30 PM

mesh over linoluem????
 
I meant mesh over linoluem not laminate, also linoluem is not cushy type. floor now is hard all around.

Can I install some type of mesh over linoluem flooring then spread thinset over it to lay ceramic tiles?

I know ripping it up is the best and lying backerboard but why not use a mesh which is screwed down ontop of the linoluem.

small bathroom floor project

titanoman 11-26-2011 10:33 PM

It will must likely separate and crack no matter what you do w/o a proper underlayment, esp. if the laminate has any soft-spots in it. It is most likely not glued down and will always have a certain give to it.

DannyT 11-26-2011 10:53 PM

If you want a tile floor that will last a long time pull the linoluem up and the underlayment that is probably under it and put down 1/4 inch cement board or one of the uncoupling membranes and tile over that. Also you would want to check the floor with a deflection calculator to see if your floor will support a tile floor. if you plan to put natural stone down the floor will need to meet twice the deflection that is needed for ceramic or porcelain tile. normally you dont put mesh down under tile unless you are doing a mud floor or pouring self leveler. I just tiled my kitchen and i used ditra instead of cement board so my tile would meet the hardwood in the dining room.

busted 11-26-2011 10:59 PM

I was planning on using mesh instead of ditra. also goin to use a mud floor. 4' by 5' bathroom floor. floor now is solid no worries about shifting etc..

DannyT 11-26-2011 11:13 PM

have you checked to see if your floor joists and subfloor will support tile?


http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/deflecto.pl

if you use the calculator dont put in the room size, you need the distance between supports under the floor joists.

it is your house and you can put mesh over linoleum if you want but you wont find anyone that will say that is a good way to do it.

rusty baker 11-26-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by busted (Post 779695)
I was planning on using mesh instead of ditra. also goin to use a mud floor. 4' by 5' bathroom floor. floor now is solid no worries about shifting etc..

A "Jersey mud job" is not approved by any tile org. because they almost always fail.

busted 11-26-2011 11:26 PM

L480 is what i come up with. says im good for ceramics for support. I can't see a problem goin ahead installing some type of mesh for this small area. floor is solid just need some to bond to ceramic. trust me this floor ain't going to shift it is solid. so im not going to stress about grout seams having hairline cracks.

rusty baker 11-26-2011 11:36 PM

It's your house....I have never understood why anyone comes on here and asks how to do something right if they intend to do it wrong anyway.

busted 11-26-2011 11:43 PM

ya ya i agree with you on that part. It's not the right way but honestly tell me how that would fail if i stated the floor is solid, no shifting, inside wall, supports the weight . linoleum is not cushy, small area, biggest concern is bonding really. don't u think it would work? i know its not the top choice
"jersey mud job" its prone to shifting etc getting hairline cracks thats why noone supports it. but my floor is solid

titanoman 11-27-2011 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by busted
ya ya i agree with you on that part. It's not the right way but honestly tell me how that would fail if i stated the floor is solid, no shifting, inside wall, supports the weight . linoleum is not cushy, small area, biggest concern is bonding really. don't u think it would work? i know its not the top choice
"jersey mud job" its prone to shifting etc getting hairline cracks thats why noone supports it. but my floor is solid

It's your house. But nix the mesh. It'll never lay perfectly flat and your nice new floor will crack the first time you step on it. And every time you sit on the pot you will be starting at the crack wishing you would have taken the time to do it right.

oh'mike 11-27-2011 07:04 AM

I typically takes 1 to 1 1/2 hours to pull up the old floor covering---another hour to mud and nail down 1/2" cement board-----

Mesh jobs (Jersey mud sets) have failed every test that the TCNA has run on them---Rusty and I make our living fixing those----But if saving a couple of hours is that important to you---go right ahead!

It's your house---after all you can always do it over------Mike----

mrs fix it 11-27-2011 07:43 AM

Hey Oh'Mike, just once I want to say, "Mike says, make it right! "
There I got it out of my system.

Listen to the expert advice you've been given.

busted 11-27-2011 08:16 AM

what if i used Ditra? i'm i still ok?

DannyT 11-27-2011 11:38 AM

you would still need to pull up the linoleum and 1/4 inch underlayment before putting down the ditra.
everyone has given you the information to do the job the right way but its your house and you can do it anyway you want to.
In a few months or a year you will be back asking how to fix your floor.

:wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

busted 11-27-2011 11:46 AM

Ok I'll pull it and do it right! Thanks for knocking some sense into me


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