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Old 02-23-2013, 10:32 PM   #121
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Looks very nice Jim.!

Normally you'd have all the walls covered and then tiled. But I know you had to do it this way, so fine to get the shower in operation.

The sealer will tell you how long to wait after grouting, normally it'll say 48 hours or longer. Then not to get wet for another 12 or so. You can wipe any residue grout film tomorrow, and it's actually a good idea to mist the tilework with water to help cure. In the old days you'd want to keep it damp for at least 3 days, but with polymer grout these days, it's not as important. (plus the customer doesn't want to hear that).

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Thanks Jaz, you are too kind buddy. keeping the joints damp is kinda like we use to do our slabs, we would keep a sprinkler on it for a day or so, helped a little to keep from cracking.

I got most of the haze off tonight, I have one of the little white pads with a handle for taking the haze off, does a pretty good job, but you still have to wash with sponges like crazy before using the little white thing. The second batch of grout I mixed a little thinner, I think I liked it better a little stiff but not so stiff it won't stay on your trowel.

I will check out the sealer and see what it says, it is DuPoint Grout sealer, I hope it is good. I know I went at this backwards but we have to have the shower back in operation quickly we can only mooch so many showers before we wear out our welcome.

Jaz, I can't thank you and Mike enough for walking me through this, you have really pulled me through this one.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:46 AM   #123
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It's a lot more work, grouting, than most people imagine-----

Now that you are done---reread my grouting instructions and let me know if they are accurate----
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Mike, you are dead on, that is some good instructions, I wish I had remembered that you wrote that. I did a little different on the sponges, I have 4 of them and use two buckets of water, the first bucket I use to really wash the sponges and the second rinses them, it worked out fairly well for me. I have a little haze this morning but that is a piece of cake compared to the rest of it. I definitely have a new found respect for tile guys who do showers especially, floors are hard enough, but a shower is a whole different animal. My hat is off to you guys, that is not easy work.

Mike, I loved the little rubber wedges, they were a life saver and worth way more than they cost. I wasn't wild about the orange spacers, they didn't work well with these out of square different size tiles, I used more of the rubber + shaped spacers with the little rubber wedges.

Before I put that wet saw back up, that pump and I are going to have a serious talk. Maybe it didn't work right because I didn't change the water everyday but I did clean the filter. I hope I never need that saw again but if I get rid of it I want it to be in real good shape for the next guy. I am a happy camper today.
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I use epoxy grout on most jobs-----talk about unforgiving!!

Glad it all went well----If you need tips on neat caulking let us know----
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Mike, I wouldn't be brave enough to use epoxy grout. I read the instructions on the sealer, I have to wait 72 hours for the grout to cure. The instructions say to wait 4 hours before walking on the floors and full cure of the sealer is 24-48 hours. I can not find anywhere it tells about a shower, I just hope 24-48 hours is enough before using the shower. Our daughter is going to get tired of us using her shower. With this time frame it will be Thursday before we can use it.

I got plenty to do while waiting. Any structural work I do will have to be fastened with screws, that close to the shower, I don't want to take any chances. I really don't think nailing would hurt anything but I sure don't want to find out either.

Mike, I have caulked a lot but since doing the shower I am second guessing myself, I am getting a little gun shy. As many houses as I have built and now doubting my ability, but I am. Here is the way I was going to seal the bottom where the tile sits 1/8 inch up from the shower base. I am going to buy 100% silicone lay the blue tape down and on the tile so there is just a small area exposed to caulk. I use to use tub dap to reseal a tub, what would you suggest for the corners. I left 1/8 inch to a little less gap between walls as you suggested, there is no grout in these joints.

The shower door and glass will have to wait a couple of months or so but we can put the shower curtains back up til then. I am hoping to go to a glass company and see if they have a come back, or a mistaken cut, piece of glass I can buy for the door. The glass panel shouldn't be too much of a problem. The last bathroom I reworked 9 or so years ago, the door alone cost $800. (I didn't do all of the tile work in there, I hired a pro for that)

I will go ahead and install the can light in the ceiling above the shower hopefully today. I have a drawer I need to reglue up for a friend's daughter I have put off for a while now, so I will get that out of the way and clean the shop, what a mess.
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I will be sealing the grout tomorrow evening, do I caulk before the sealer goes on or after? Here are a couple of pictures of the shower after the grout. I wish now I hadn't got the tile that looks like the edges are chipped, although it doesn't look all that bad in person.
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I suggest you seal the grout first---but it really doesn't make much difference----

I have a different method of caulking----It's about time for bed---I'll type out instructions in the morning---Mike-----
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Applying silicone neatly can be a challenge--- This is the method that counter top and tilers use to get a perfect bead---

Remember this---silicone will stick to any clean--dry surface.

It will not stick to a wet soapy surface---

For this you need paper towels and a spray bottle of 'Greased Lightning' household cleaner.

Start low and work your way up so no spray wets any area yet to be done.

1. Apply a bead of silicone --do not leave any gaps or air pockets--
2. Spray the bead and surrounding area with Greased Lightning
3. Spray your finger
4.Tool the joint with your finger
5.remove excess to the paper towel

Do an experimental test----I believe you will like this technique.
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Applying silicone neatly can be a challenge--- This is the method that counter top and tilers use to get a perfect bead---

Remember this---silicone will stick to any clean--dry surface.

It will not stick to a wet soapy surface---

For this you need paper towels and a spray bottle of 'Greased Lightning' household cleaner.

Start low and work your way up so no spray wets any area yet to be done.

1. Apply a bead of silicone --do not leave any gaps or air pockets--
2. Spray the bead and surrounding area with Greased Lightning
3. Spray your finger
4.Tool the joint with your finger
5.remove excess to the paper towel

Do an experimental test----I believe you will like this technique.
I had to read that a couple of times before it sunk in, but I think I have it now. You run a good looking bead first, then spray the bead and surrounding area, right? If so that is the neatest trick I have ever seen. I wish I had known that back when I was working, I just learned how to run a decent looking bead without touching it again but every once in a while I made a goof up and had a mess to deal with.

I can't thank you enough buddy.
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That's it----This is the method that granite counter top guys use to end up with a tiny caulked corner---Just get that spray on as quick as you can ,so the silicone doesn't skin over---
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Thanks Mike, that is too just cool buddy, I will let you know how I do.
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The grout is sealed now, I did notice the second coat didn't seem to want to take, it almost acted like water running off a ducks back, I had to work it for it to soak in but it finally did. Will it hurt anything if I got some of the sealer on the porcelain, there was noway to keep from getting some on the tile. If it does matter how do I get it off the tiles. I am running the silicone this morning, I am so glad this part is behind me.

I just noticed, Mike, that you said get Greased Lightning cleaner and I got Simple Green, will that make a difference or are they about the same thing?

Next I am buying 1X6 T&G white pine for the walls and ceiling. I can't touch the western cedar and I can get the 1X6 T&G for less than $1 a sq ft. I will tear the rest of the sheet rock out today.

I will have to re plumb the commode, for some reason, some one installed it too close to the wall then used an off set flange which restricts the flow some.
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Post some more pictures when you have time! Looks good so far!
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Thanks Maranell, I appreciate that, I will post some more pictures as I get a little further along.

I am one happy camper right now, the shower is finished except for the ceiling and door, but the door will have to wait.

Mike that trick with the spray soapy stuff worked like a charm it made it super easy to deal with the silicone, thanks buddy, I do appreciate that a ton.

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