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Old 02-16-2013, 09:07 PM   #91
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Sounds like you are ready to tile---enjoy the shower----you are water proof now------

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Old 02-17-2013, 09:00 AM   #92
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I noticed last night that when I took a shower and the Redgard got wet it streaked sorta looked like soap streaks. This morning most of the streaks are gone but a couple of very small ones remain. I am sure they will go away today.

In the meanwhile I did a search about the streaks and found where a few folks who had some problems with the redgard bleeding through the grout when they used the bone colored grout, that is close to the color we plan to us also. This was back in 2008, I just wonder if Redgard has been modified since then or has anyone had this problem and how did they solve it.

I will say the tems outside are the coldest it has been all winter here and all we have for heat is two small chill chasers and it did get a little chilly in here last night, I wonder if that would have any effect on the Redgard and is there and cause for concern. We will not get the Redgard wet directly again, we will cover it until all the tile is totally dry.

Got another question, how much thinset will I need for 77 sq ft of wall space, I do back butter the tiles if that has anything to do with it. I forgot, the tiles are 12X12 inch
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Old 02-17-2013, 09:20 AM   #93
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I never heard of color bleeding with red guard----never---

If your tiles are 12x12---You will use about a bag and a half--I prefer white--easier to clean up the goo that squeezes into the grout lines----but grey will be fine if that is what you already have---

I hope Jaz looks in---he knows the brands and such much better than I do----
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Is that the big bag or small bag? Also I saw where one guy said he didn't grout the corners, he caulked them, is this right? Man this not remembering is for the birds

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That would be a big bag----depending on waste---that what's you will use---

Grouting and corners----inside corners move just a bit----so a flexible caulk is needed there--and where the wall meets the pan----

As you grout----while the grout is still soft---run a utility knife into the corner and pull out the grout---you need not be perfect--but clean it out enough that the caulk can enter the corner---I'll give you pointers on grouting and caulking when the time comes--

In some ways---the grouting requires more attention than the tile setting----done correctly---it;s not hard, just tedious---done wrong, it can make you cry---before grouting---come back for pointers---
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Doing shower walls and doing regular tile floors are a lot different, I had no idea they were that different. I really should have paid more attention years back. You are a life saver Mike, thanks a bunch.
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Here is a post from Jim Fs bathroom remodel---

Jim's downstairs bathroom project


Jim, The grout that you have chosen is a good one---Mix with cold clean water --about the consistancy of yellow mustard--

You don't want to do any of the water spraying goofyness--I suggest that ,as a novice, you do one wall at a time.--Use a soft white grout float--the disposable black sponge rubber ones tend to dig into the cracks and cause frustration.

Go back and forth several times and really pack the joints full--use the float like a squeegee--on an angle to the joints,to remove as much excess as you can--

Go have a small cup of coffee-----give the grout 10 to 15 minutes to set a little---

Then start the first 'break'(cleaning)--You will want to have 2 or 3 grout sponges and a couple of buckets of clean water---

The first break is to shape the joints and remove the majority of the excess grout---

Ring out your sponges almost dry--start cleaning using a gentle circular motion---don't try to actually clean the surface with the first break---just shape the joints and remove the majority from the face of the tile------You will probably only get 4 to 9 tiles before you need to flip the sponge---

Second break----no coffee this time--clean water --ring out the sponges almost dry--

All that should be on the tiles at this point is a messy smear---start wiping on a diagonal--

press the sponge flat with both hands and slowly pull the sponge and roll it as you pull --

You should get about 12 inches wiped before you flip the sponge and --press -slowly pull and roll up.


Final cleaning---at this point all that should be on the face of the tile is haze and a lot of small streaks---You can have another cup of coffee----Wait about 15 minutes--

Final wipe--if done correctly--the tile should (had better be) be clean and shiny--done except for the tiniest bit of streaks.

This time --go with the tiles,not diagonally--two hands on the sponge- press-pull and roll only about 12 inches --then flip the sponge and do another 12 inches--rinse ring dry and repeat--

Most beginners try to get to much cleaning out of a dirty sponge--Any one who has wiped up a glob of jelly knows the press and roll of the sponge----Good luck--Mike--
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Hope this gives you an idea of the grouting process----

He was using 4 1/4" x 4 1/4" squares---so adjust the thinking for the tile size you will be using----
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Here is a post from Jim Fs bathroom remodel---

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Jim, The grout that you have chosen is a good one---Mix with cold clean water --about the consistancy of yellow mustard--

You don't want to do any of the water spraying goofyness--I suggest that ,as a novice, you do one wall at a time.--Use a soft white grout float--the disposable black sponge rubber ones tend to dig into the cracks and cause frustration.

Go back and forth several times and really pack the joints full--use the float like a squeegee--on an angle to the joints,to remove as much excess as you can--

Go have a small cup of coffee-----give the grout 10 to 15 minutes to set a little---

Then start the first 'break'(cleaning)--You will want to have 2 or 3 grout sponges and a couple of buckets of clean water---

The first break is to shape the joints and remove the majority of the excess grout---

Ring out your sponges almost dry--start cleaning using a gentle circular motion---don't try to actually clean the surface with the first break---just shape the joints and remove the majority from the face of the tile------You will probably only get 4 to 9 tiles before you need to flip the sponge---

Second break----no coffee this time--clean water --ring out the sponges almost dry--

All that should be on the tiles at this point is a messy smear---start wiping on a diagonal--

press the sponge flat with both hands and slowly pull the sponge and roll it as you pull --

You should get about 12 inches wiped before you flip the sponge and --press -slowly pull and roll up.


Final cleaning---at this point all that should be on the face of the tile is haze and a lot of small streaks---You can have another cup of coffee----Wait about 15 minutes--

Final wipe--if done correctly--the tile should (had better be) be clean and shiny--done except for the tiniest bit of streaks.

This time --go with the tiles,not diagonally--two hands on the sponge- press-pull and roll only about 12 inches --then flip the sponge and do another 12 inches--rinse ring dry and repeat--

Most beginners try to get to much cleaning out of a dirty sponge--Any one who has wiped up a glob of jelly knows the press and roll of the sponge----Good luck--Mike--
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Back to the streaks. Redgard will dry to the dry red color in 1-1 1/2 hours. If the temp is cold or damp it can take 12 hours. I'd protect it if you're gonna use the shower.

One bag of modified thinset will do the area, but you're gonna waste some, some have two #50 bags. You can do 4 floors in the time it takes to do one set of walls like yours.

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Jaz we used the shower last night but there is just one slight streak left, it was cold even with the over head bathroom heater on, hopefully it will be OK by tomorrow. I hope to get fired up on the tile tomorrow.

I have one 50 LB bag of modified thinset but I used a couple of sheetrock mudd trays of the thinset to fill the seams and joints, I will pick up a small bag to be sure I have enough. Thanks Jaz and Mike I appreciate your help.
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I am about to get started on the tile here in a few minutes, I had a story pole with the tile layout made up, guess where it is, yep in the wall behind the Durock, kinda makes me wonder what else I left in there.

When I do the back wall, will it be OK if the tile on that wall is within a 1/8th or so of the side walls? I was wondering if it is OK for the tile on the side wall to overlap the back wall tile but leave a 1/4 space. Or is it best to make sure the tile on the back wall is 1/4 inch away from the durock on the side walls and the tile on the side wall a 1/4 inch away from the tile on the back wall?
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Too funny about the layout.

End the tiles of the backwall just short of the sidewalls. Will you be cutting both ends? Bring the sidewall tiles to about 1/8" of the backwall tiles. The 1/8 will appear wider cuz of the curve when you caulk. !/4" caulk is way wide and it's likely to droop too.

Keep em level & plumb.

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Too funny about the layout.

End the tiles of the backwall just short of the sidewalls. Will you be cutting both ends? Bring the sidewall tiles to about 1/8" of the backwall tiles. The 1/8 will appear wider cuz of the curve when you caulk. !/4" caulk is way wide and it's likely to droop too.

Keep em level & plumb.

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Thanks Jaz, I didn't get to put any up today, I went and picked up some more thinset so I wouldn't get started and have to stop and go get more. The bad part is Lowe's didn't have any more of the first bag. The first bag is Mapei Ultraflex 1 standard white tile mortar with polymer.
They said this I got today is the same thing just in a different bag, it is Mapei porcelain polymer enriched white. I don't plan to mix them, I just hope they are the same thing and install the same.

I did get the layout done and cut a few tiles to be ready for in the morning. I had to take my pump apart and turn the prop by hand to get it going but finally it went to working fine. Don't you hate it when you loan your wet saw out a few times then when you are ready to use it the blade is about wore out. Oh well, if I can make it through this one time I probably will never use it again anyway.
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I feel like I am homesteading the tile in the shower, talk about slow. I am about 2/3s with the install. The inset and the border tiles really slowed me down, today I hope to have the tiles installed. I have to drill the holes for the valves and shower head pipes, hopefully that won't be too bad.

I have an older MK 370 wet saw, yesterday every tile I cut would break about 1/2 inch before completing the cut. I noticed the carriage had a dip at the point the blade travels. I had an old tri square and I took the blade and used it to rest the tile on. By being very careful I made it work. I had on tile cut that had 5/8 inch on one leg and 3/4 inch on the other (lot of waste), it cut that one without breaking and I was sure it would.

What kind of gloves do you guys use? I have literally worn the skin off a couple of fingers.

I am not really please with the install because I have had to adjust a few of the tiles which aren't spaced exactly as planned, Judy said she liked it but I will always see the goofups. I will make some pictures a little later.

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