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kiddo19 03-20-2009 11:36 AM

Kitchen tile install - need advice on the best "wrong" way to do it!
 
I am helping my father in law install new porcelain tile in his kitchen. Existing floor in the kitchen is vinyl sheet over a concrete slab that is roughly 20 years old. The vinyl is generally glued down pretty tight, but there are sections that you can feel have come up a bit.

I gave my father in law the correct advice that the floor should be pulled up, the concrete substrate should be properly prepared and leveled and then we could lay the tile. But he refuses to pull up the vinyl. He refuses. So we are now going down the wrong path.

He didn't even want to level the floor but I finally won that argument. The floor definitely requires some leveling. My question is whether there is a self leveling compound that is best suited for application over vinyl?

Is there anything else I need to do to the existing floor to prepare it for the tile installation?

Floorwizard 03-20-2009 12:33 PM

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My question is whether there is a self leveling compound that is best suited for application over vinyl?
Just use any....doesn't matter much anyway

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Is there anything else I need to do to the existing floor to prepare it for the tile installation?
Yes, but your not doing it anyway...so lay away!

Scuba_Dave 03-20-2009 01:33 PM

Prior owner did the same thing in our hallway
Due to the vinyl adhesion = ZERO = floating floor
Grout started to crack & tiles were loose
I ripped it all up & did it the correct way

Advise him it will be more $$ to install tile twice :yes:

Floorwizard 03-20-2009 02:26 PM

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Advise him it will be more $$ to install tile twice
True....if you want to spend the most money and time...keep the Vinyl in place.
Send me $100 bucks too.....I could use it-

kiddo19 03-20-2009 03:03 PM

You are preaching to the choir. Would you say that the tile install failure is an inevitability, or just a little more likely?

OutToPasture 03-20-2009 04:19 PM

It's, pretty much, a guarenteed outcome. But, It's also guarenteed that you're not going to win many arguments with the father-in-law. So... "Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave." Then, when (notice I didn't say, if) you can say, "WOW, you really seemed like you knew what you were talking about, "DAD"."
Now you have something to look forward to.... the day you get to say, "I told you so."
Have fun...:thumbsup:

kiddo19 03-20-2009 04:25 PM

Yea, that's just whats killing me...I explained that the tile is not going to last very long if we don't do it right and he just kinda shrugged and said well then we'll just re-do it then....WTF!!!??? I don't want to do all this work for nothing!

The odd thing is that he is really handy when it comes to cars, plumbing and electric...he's about 1000x more handy than I am. And he is very meticulous in how he cares for his tools and other belongings....but on this one issue, he is trying to be so amateurish about it...I just don't get it. :huh:

Scuba_Dave 03-20-2009 04:40 PM

Show him this thread
Lucky if the tile & grout lasts a few months before it cracks
Actually I'd be surprised if it doesn't start cracking within a week

kiddo19 03-20-2009 04:49 PM

I'll keep you all posted as to what happens.

Floorwizard 03-20-2009 04:57 PM

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The odd thing is that he is really handy when it comes to cars, plumbing and electric...he's about 1000x more handy than I am. And he is very meticulous in how he cares for his tools and other belongings....but on this one issue, he is trying to be so amateurish about it...I just don't get it.
Be blunt...

"gee dad, it seems you think differently on so many other important issues...why the change on this?"

kiddo19 03-20-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Floorwizard (Post 247475)
Be blunt...

"gee dad, it seems you think differently on so many other important issues...why the change on this?"

I asked him and he said that he's worried about how laborious it will be to clean off the adhesive. I even offered to do all of it but he's being stubborn about it. He just wants to roll the dice.

Tommy2 03-21-2009 02:30 PM

Eh..I wouldnt help with it. Tell him he knows best on most things..but this is just going to turn out wrong and you dont want to be responsible in any way.


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