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Old 08-19-2011, 10:31 PM   #16
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Well I check out Noble Sound Guard & it seems very expensive.Easymat has nothing about sound abatement.What about the cork rolls?I'm going to start asking at Home Depot.I need vaporproofing and soundproofing for a second floor condo.this will be over concrete.We want to do this stuff ourselves.Never hired outside help.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:44 PM   #17
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If your HOA is thorough enough to want specs on sound abatement, Noble is a great product. I've heard good things about the Laticrete as well. At $2 a foot it's expensive though...
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:47 PM   #18
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So you like the Noble product in addition to Ditra?

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Old 08-20-2011, 12:59 AM   #19
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Why do you keep starting new threads with almost every question? What you are doing is confusing and you aren't likely to get anyone to understand your potpourri of messages or give any substantial advice or opinions.

Stay with one thread for a while. All of your questions relate to only one topic so far so stay with one thread.
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If you use cork as underlatment you do not need a water proofing. Cork is water proof. Call Amcork, they will tell you what the sound rating is.
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I've never used the Ditra with the Noble SIS. The only application that I've ever used the Noble in was a Denver high-rise apt over a concrete floor. Can you even use the two together?
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:44 PM   #22
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I'm beginning to hone in on Porcelain tiles,now that I've seen so many ceramic tiles.I think we'll go with 6 mm cork underlayment.I'm not sure of sheets or rolls for the second floor.I will look online tom'w for vieos of installation to see what else we'll need.They are inexpensive online.Home Depot has the rolls for $.59 sq ft.Can anyone confirm that the tiles should be 1st grade & at least IV hardness?Stick to European cork?
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:29 PM   #23
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Okay we'll clear up a few things in an effort to educate anyone that cares.

Porcelain tile is ceramic tile. Porcelain is a form of ceramic made with a slightly different recipe to improve performance. All ceramic tile has a certain absorbency rate with porcelain being least at .5 percent.

The grading schedule of tiles (I - V) has nothing to do with the hardness of the tile itself. The grading schedule has to do with the glazing and the wear factor of the glazing. Not all porcelain tile is glazed and doesn't need to be. Porcelain is considered a thru-body tile meaning the color is the same from top to bottom, unless the porcelain is glazed then of course the surface can be various colors but the bisque will be the same throughout the thickness. The grading schedule is done voluntarily by the tile manufacturers using a scale developed by the Porcelain Enamel Institute and is known as the PEI Scale in some cases.

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PEI IV: Is suitable for all residential and light commercial uses.

Grading is basically a farce and any tile maker can apply any grade they wish on any of their tile products as far as I know.

Any tile rated "standard grade" is really a better tile and is typical. Some sellers label their tile as "Builders Choice". Sounds professional does it not? Builders Choice is generally a low grade of tile and boxes will contain a lot of pieces that would otherwise be rejected. Therefore the tile is sold for a lessor cost because it does contain defective pieces. If you think you are getting Builders Choice tile at a builders cost you are buying "cheap" tile to begin with. It's a scam.

You may notice that some home centers sometimes show grades of tile and also apply PEI ratings to unglazed porcelain tiles when in fact the nomenclature really doesn't apply. Yet another big box scam to trick the buying public. The big box stores with clout can order the tiles they want to sell to be placed in any boxing with any printing they desire.

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Old 08-21-2011, 09:43 AM   #24
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My question: is it better to use cork sheets or rolls as the underlayment on the second floor?
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Makes no difference what so ever.
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Grading is basically a farce and any tile maker can apply any grade they wish on any of their tile products as far as I know.
Sad but true, it's not regulated whatsoever

As far as the Schluter Ditra goes fellas, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. It DOES help with sound control and my customers always comment on the difference in sound transmission. Schluter just isn't willing to mislead anyone into thinking it's the same as using a sound mat-which is twice as expensive and more profitable for them sell . So, depending on how much sound control her HOA demands, Schluter could be a servicable option that accomplishes her goals for far less than a full sound mat. Straight from the Ditra Handbook under the section: Discussion of Sound Control:


Schluter®DITRA
Schluter®Systems has never promoted Schluter®
-DITRA as a sound control system. However, DITRA provides a degree of sound
attenuation similar to various thin-set sound control membranes. Schluter®
-DITRA and ceramic tile were tested* over a 6" (152 mm)-thick
concrete slab and the measured IIC rating of this assembly was 10 points greater than the measured IIC rating of the bare slab (IIC bare
slab = 28, IIC slab w/DITRA and tile = 38). This level of performance is not sufficient to meet typical code requirements without additional
sound control measures. As discussed above, the use of a sound control underlayment in combination with a load-distribution layer such
as a mortar bed, lightweight concrete, or gypsum concrete can significantly improve the IIC rating of the assembly. Sound-rated ceilings
can improve the IIC rating as well.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:52 PM   #27
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Decided best thing is to wait until we can get in the condo again.Tear up the flooring & see what the heck is under there with the concrete.No more flooring questions until then.I've got some great info here.Thank you!

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