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Old 08-27-2008, 08:01 AM   #16
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I have no idea what CMU walls are but I'll tell you what I know: My house was built in 1927 and has a poured concrete foundation and walls with the exception of the Florida room which has blocks (it was added on later on).

The previous homeowner finished 3/4 of the basement. There was some sort of weird carpeting on the floor that was on the very thin side. I noticed water issues when I started removing panels on the wall. There was a closet that had 2/4's as a frame and the ones in contact with the floor had minor signs of rot. I believe he did the work in the 60's.

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Old 08-27-2008, 08:43 AM   #17
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:58 AM   #18
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good suggestion, bud tnx ! ! !

CMU = concrete masonary units,,, cinder or concrete blocks,,, no idea where your house's located but all cmu walls act the same,,, they usually leak

i'd guess your wtr's coming in either thru cracks OR the cove ( wall on footing area ),,, epoxy injection w/hydrophyllic mtl should be able to easily resolve this,,, caution - this part ain't diy !!!

ALWAYS do a moisture test 1st prior to any coating,,, vapor transmission's the leading cause of mtl failures.

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Old 08-27-2008, 10:32 AM   #19
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I live in NJ. I was told that the basement walls were poured in. When I remodeled the kitchen and bathrooms I was told that the builders reused the same boards for the foundation/walls for the exterior of the house.

The water I have noticed has come from small cracks in the wall. The majority of them have been along an area where the concrete looks eroded. Most of the basement walls were painted, I can only assume with sealer. But many areas have crumbled off of the wall or have lifted up in chunks. I was thinking about scraping all of it off and then applying Drylock to them and see if that helps.
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used to live in nj - matter of fact, we did res/ind/comm wtrproofing from offices in woodbdge,,, left shortly after 9-11

re-using forms is not a big deal - every conc contractor, incl us, does that all the time,,, the eroded conc's & crumbling's a concern,,, IXNAY on the drylok,,, it'll eventually fail &, in the meantime, allow wtr & accompanying soil acids to build up in the wall & further attack the cement's lime leading to more damage,,, based on what you post, i'd suggest epoxy inj but w/o eyes on the wall, that's only my edumacated guesstimate.

ab out the only thing applying drylok'll do is help their exec's make boat pymts,,, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the good news is you've got conc, NOT cmu's,,, conc's repairable - cmu's are replaceable.

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I'll see if I can take a pic of the areas where I have seen water coming in. I'll try to do it when I get home.

Thanks for the info on the Drylok. Most people I have spoken to recommend that immediately but what you said makes a lot of sense.
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its just f'n amazing to me how quik people're to believe the ' experienced staff ' at the apron stores ,,, UNLESS that wall's wtr can be ' managed ', its just sits there w/all the time in the world to attack - attack - attack.

btw, ' waterproofing ' is usually done from the outside but poly injection's the process i'd try 1st,,, have a blk mold spot in my own bsmt but it doesn't bother me at all

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gawda'might, bud, some of them even have NO f'n idea water runs downhill - this poster, leo, exempt - think the dopes on vila're the worst other'n the ladies on hgtv who'e only outdone by the mouss'd hair, metrosexual, wanna-be tv hosts !!!

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Don't recall, having just read all this, if you mentioned the grade around the house...is it properly sloped? are the downspouts properly channeling rainwater at least 10' away from the foundations? is snow left to melt to come into the picture somehow? are you on a sloped street/property?
Trees around? Sump pump?

If your house was built in 1927, I wouldn't bet much that they had weeping tile around the foundation and, even if they did use the clay ones, I'll bet that that system is non-functioning. So, water builds up against the concrete and does damage, eventually coming in at a number of places. Sometimes at the foundation/footing intersection other times on the wall, sometimes through the boltholes they used on the original forms to hold them in place.

Unfortunately, none of this will turn your crank: IMO the only way to solve this is to excavate from the outside (a 4'-wide backhoe would do), replace and clean out the weeping system, have someone waterproof the foundation walls with rubber coating/plastic membrane, fill trench with 2' of 3/4" gravel and backfill... 5 days worth of work for a crew of 3-5...conversely, trying to fix it from the inside is a temporary solution to buy you time. Won't work.

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Ccarlisle, I believe I mentioned in one of the posts that I dumped a lot of soil in an area near the side of my house. I had no idea what I was doing and simply wanted to even up an area that did not look right. To make a long story short, I did not pitch the soil away from the house and water collected near the foundation. On top of that my gutters were all out of whack.

Since then I have worked on a bit of the soil and had new gutters installed when I had my siding redone. Its amazing the difference that good gutters make when the properly guide water away from your house.

I started looking into French drains today. That with what you stated above sounds like a good idea. I think I might call around and get some quotes.

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leo, send me an e,,, can make some recommendations to you OR, at the least, winnow out some names you shouldn't consider.

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