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Old 02-12-2011, 02:16 PM   #1
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I had an installer from Home Depot come out to measure for a new kitchen, dining room and washroom vinyl floor. We did all of the prep work - removed 5 old floors, installed a new sub-floor, screwed the sub-floor, filled all the holes and sanded. We also removed dishwasher, and 3 kitchen cupboards as well. Installer will not guarantee his work unless we put cupboards back in (which we did not want to do) and he also will not guarantee his work in the washroom if we remove the toilet - we intended to do that too before installation. Tell me if I'm wrong here - does it not make for a nicer job to remove a toilet before installing a new floor? I also thought we had made his installation easier by having the cabinets out. Lastly, it wasn't the installer who did the measuring, it was his wife.

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It depends on the vinyl. It voids the warranty on some vinyls and can cause them to wrinkle if they are installed under cabinets or stools.

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Let the installer do what he is being paid to do. You aren't saving any money I wouldn't think. Contract installers have set prices and that's what they want to be paid for their work. If you are looking for a discount for your efforts I'd be surprised if that happened. He has a reason for wanting to do the extra work. But it isn't really extra work to him.
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What sort of floating vinyl floor are you talking about? The installer probably wants to make sure that the cabinet and toilet are not mounted on top of it. They may also install some sort of edge trim that covers the edges in front of the cabinets without binding them down. Floating floor systems generally need room to expand and contract around the perimeter.
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I don't know why it would matter that the installer's wife measured the job, my wife measured my jobs many times. The installer won't guarantee his work, unless you let him do it right. Isn't that why a professional installer was hired in the first place, so the job would be done right?
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Somebody tell me what a "floating vinyl floor" is exactly. I didn't know there was such a thing. Perimeter-glued maybe but "floating"?
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IVC backed vinyls. Her's an old video.



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In the new installation instructions, they tell you not to put the vinyl under cabinets or stools. The floating vinyl plank floors also say not to install under cabinets.
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So if installed "loose layed", that constitutes "floating"???
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When these first came out, they were selling them to "float" over almost any substate, as long as there was a gap at all obstructions. They found out that didn't really work, but the name stuck.
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Okay got it!

Just couldn't wrap my brain around that floating vinyl thing. To me a floating floor has always been something like Pergo and all the knock-offs that followed, including Snapstone.
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Coming from HD, I wonder if the OP isn't talking about Allure.
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Could be. I just assumed they meant sheet vinyl.
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It's really no problem to put it under a toilet. I've had a go around with IVC on that and they finally said there have never been any issues due to that. As long as the flange is set properly it isn't applying much pressure to the floor anyway. Cabinets are another matter. You can get away with putting smaller cabinets on a floating floor. A vanity for example. But larger runs of cabinet will cause issues, especially with a loose lay. If you've done so much prep, you are better off gluing if it's a cushion backed sheet floor.
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I had a Flexitec rep tell me that they won't warranty if it's under a toilet. Of course their instructions change weekly, if not daily. Before installing, I always ask the latest instruction on what seam sealer to use. I had been told epoxy sometimes and latex other times. They also say to use latex floor patch, but that's a no-no for me. All other flooring products say to use only cementious based patch because latex patch will fail(and it will).

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