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Old 07-13-2011, 01:38 PM   #1
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I've read that since most old vinyl contains asbestos, that it is best to leave it and just put new flooring over it. I would like to cover it with a layer of cement such as Novoplan or Ardex which are self-leveling cements for floors before putting down a new floor. Will this work as far as covering this old possibly harmful vinyl? Is there any reason that this should not be done?
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what type of floor do you plan on putting in?

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The house is my son's and he would like to put wood floors, but at this time he cannot afford this. My main concern right now is sealing this old vinyl so as to keep it safe. Can ardex or novoplan be used? Then he can take his time and decide on what to put on top.

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What is unsafe about it now? If you are concerned about asbestos --you have little to worry about when the asbestos is embedded safely in the floor covering.

It's only when removing the flooring that some asbestos might become airborne if you really get careless with the demolition.
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The floor seems to be in good shape, just old and ugly. A few places around the edges are cracked where the carpet that covered it was tacked down. I've just been looking online and I've read everything from "don't touch it you'll die" to it is safe as long as you don't sand it or scrape it. I've read that any new flooring over it will do the trick of covering it enough, but I was thinking of sealing with ardex or novoplan as an extra precaution. Does this make sense? Would love to have some peace of mind from someone out there.
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If you cover it with a cement coating now...how will you nail a wood floor down later?

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I think the type of wood flooring my son has looked at does not need to be nailed. He said it's some sort of engineered wood???

Thank you for asking. Good thought.
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I think the type of wood flooring my son has looked at does not need to be nailed. He said it's some sort of engineered wood???
"Engineered wood" flooring is nothing more than plywood. Any substantial wood flooring must be nailed or stapled as far as I know. Unless you have engineered flooring confused with laminate flooring.
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. I've just been looking online and I've read everything from "don't touch it you'll die" to it is safe as long as you don't sand it or scrape it. .
I've removed tons of old sheet goods and tile---
It's easy enough to do it safely---your state will have directions for removal by a homeowner.

Of all the asbestos products---flooring is the least likely to send the fibers into the air. Check your states web site and you will see that it's not something to spend a lot of energy worrying about.
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Thanks oh'mike,
I needed to hear that because I've been worrying sick about this asbestos tile situation. You sound like you really know what you are talking about and have lots of experience. I'm leaning towards not removing it and laying new floor over it---maybe even leveling-sealing it first with a layer of cement (I've read that products such as Ardex or Novoplan can be used for this). Can you give me your thoughts on all this? Would it be safe to lay one of these products over the old tile and then lay new floor on top? I may be going overboard, but I want my son to be safe.
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A picture would help---a lot depends on how stable the old flooring is---if the flooring has any flex at all I would remove it.

But if its solid as a rock--you could sandwich it under a new layer of plywood.

As to leveling ---I'd need to see the floor to offer a suggestion.
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Unless this floor is deteriorating to the point where it is crumbling, then it is likely not adding as much asbestos to your life as the brake pads on your car. As long as you don't go grinding or sanding it, the asbestos will pretty much stay in the matrix of the material. If it has become very brittle and is breaking into small crumbs, then that is a different matter. In that case I would take it up, otherwise, I'd leave it until you are ready to cover it or replace it. Adding some sort of cement product over it will not make it prettier and will be harder to deal with later. If you want to seal it, apply a coat of regular old floor wax......... And not ALL sheet materials contained asbestos. Some did and some of the cement used to install it did. Only one way to know for sure. Test it.
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Mike, thanks for your comments. I pay attention to everything you say.
I did ask about those two products--ardex & nonvoplan. If the floor needs leveling, can one of these products be used and at the same time securely seal off the old tile floor? I want nice floors, but mostly I want my family to be safe. What would you do if this were your son or daughter's house?
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