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Old 05-20-2010, 11:26 AM   #46
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wondering because I've got more concrete to re-finish:
if you've got a concrete slab that DOESN'T have old adhesive on it that's got to be removed,should you still go over it with an angle grinder with turbo wheel? the reason I ask is because I read somewhere about the surface of concrete and how the new surface covering (paint or whatever) might not adhere too well unless the surface is made porous. (this guy was talking about putting water on the concrete and watching to see if it soaks in) I wonder if this might have been the problem with the paint on my garage floor coming up. (I was told the "hot tire syndrome" did that but this was paint that was made for garage floors)

BTW: should you power wash AFTER the surface is completely done?

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most product failures are due to improper/incomplete prep,,, w/our products, we pickle the slab 1st w/10% muriatic cut 1acid:8 wtr then neutrailze w/ammonia:wtr 1:8,,, paint never adheres to conc no matter what.

we always power wash after w/4,000psi 4gpm w/turbo nozzle

obviously we vary the prep IF we're going to use dec conc acid-stains

the garage coating's failure was, more'n likely, due to improper/incomplete prep & h/o quality mtl purchased from an apron store no matter the name on the label,,, done right, good mtls do NOT experience hot-tire pickup or, at least, we've never experienced it,,, probably unlikely you protected the epoxy w/urethane topcoat, either,,, apron stores're like labor unions - the lowest common denominator rules all


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so, SHOULD you go over a concrete slab that has no adhesive with a diamond wheel? I understand that muriatic acid is nasty stuff so I guess what you're saying is that the muriatic acid bath sort of does the same thing as the diamond blade.? (the muriatic acid gets the surface porous? the diamond blade does that too?)

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we don't grind UNLESS there're boogers, etc, that must be removed,,, the apron store muriatic's not bad at all as its only 10% solution out of the store,,, cutting it 1:8 further reduces its strength,,, i don't think both're the same as ea has its individual goal.

w/our eliteCrete mtl, we're not only cleaning the existing conc but adjusting the pH so our 1st coat penetrates the slab & bonds mechanically AND chemically,,, the acrylic-bas'd mtls req a ' bonder ' such as your stuff to my knowledge,,, you're asking me things of which i'm ignorant as, in 38 yrs, never used a ' bonder ',,, doesn't your source have any customer service people ?
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ya know Conc,I have NEVER asked you a question directly! in case you haven't noticed, there ARE other people on this group that can answer my questions. I was hoping someone,not necessarily you,would know the answer.

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didn't realize i was annoying you but, then, why enter a dialog ? either no one else knows as much, cares to answer, or neither does your ' customer no-svce rep ' have the answers,,, enjoy your work - i won't bother you anymore ! ! !
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my "assistant" and I finally finished (been nearly a year). a few pix of the finished product:
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That looks great!!!
What did you use ? The Daitch ?

I have a pool deck I have been thinking of recoating somehow
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That looks great!!!
What did you use ? The Daitch ?

I have a pool deck I have been thinking of recoating somehow
yes,I used the Daich products. not exactly cheap but then again, you don't want cheap stuff if you want it to look good and last.
(the Spreadstone is $55/gal and a gallon doesn't go too far cause it's the consistency of a McDonald's milkshake)

you'll want to start by getting their dvd.

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I'll have to figure out how much I'll need
Its 16x32 pool with a 6' cement deck around it
So about 720 square feet to do

Its a project for next year at the earliest
Maybe I'll check back next year & see how yours is holding up

But that does look nice
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nice work - hope it wears well for you,,, we estimate mtl cost at about $1.00 to $ 1.50 per sq ft incl sealer.
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well Scube, my cement slab is only about 66 sq. ft. and it took 2 gal. of "Spreadstone" to cover it (it's so thick,you apply it with a trowel) so doing the math, you'd be looking at something over 1K in Spreadstone alone. Daich has a product called "Rollerock" which goes on with a roller ,looks good and would be more economical. (besides being a heck of alot easier on your back )

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Ok, Thanks
I do remember looking at their different products a while back
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Hey Musicman,

How's it holding up? It looks pretty good from the pictures. I'm thinking of doing something similar. I have an inground pool with a large irregular shapped patio that's not looking so hot these days. I'd like to jazz it up but the cost of pavers or stamped concrete is too high. I was looking at this as a cheaper alternative. Thanks,

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How's it holding up? It looks pretty good from the pictures. I'm thinking of doing something similar. I have an inground pool with a large irregular shapped patio that's not looking so hot these days. I'd like to jazz it up but the cost of pavers or stamped concrete is too high. I was looking at this as a cheaper alternative. Thanks,

Kevin
so far it's holding up fine. I'd stress that you MUST prep. well. I used an angle grinder with a "diamond wheel" to get the surface ready. LOTS of dust! (you wouldn't believe how much dust. tell your neighbor downwind to close his windows) I didn't prep. my front walk well and paid for it: the "Daitch" product peeled right up. this is not too big of a deal since that walk will be replaced along with my driveway.

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