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Old 08-10-2009, 12:45 PM   #16
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2 1/2" cap's really much more'n necessary but could be accomplished by either a bond'd OR unbond'd overlay ( cap ),,, none of the pics i post'd were thicker than 1/8",,, even installing a thin-stamp'd overlay's only 3/8" max,,, to my knowledge, daich is a reseller, not a manufacturer,,, google ' elitecrete ' for the largest manufactureing & dedicated distribution network - even in canada.

if you saw the diy tv segment on the back porch/patio o'lay, it was rod johnson & elitecrete along w/the show's 2 reg hosts.

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hmmmm...the question NOW is: exactly WHAT material is being used for the overlay? certainly not plain old concrete (right?) I mean, most aggregate is more tham 1/8 in. in dia, isn't it?

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Old 08-10-2009, 05:04 PM   #17
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portland cement concrete = portland cement, fine aggregate ( usually sands ), large aggregate ( usually crush'd stone ), & water,,, polymer modified concrete = white cement, fine aggregate ( in our case, 7 diff shapes & sizes of silicone carbide ) hybrid co-polymers, & water,,, your ' plain old concrete ' is usually 2,500psi - 4,000psi while ours is 5,600psi.

then there's epoxy concrete, asphalt cement concrete, etc the choices do boggle us sometimes
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:36 PM   #18
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well, the guy who just came over to give me an estimate, Colorado Flatwork, says the slab has to be removed, a new one poured and then it can be "stamped" with a "tile like" design. this is because they won't do overlays, claims they can't guarantee the bond.

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maybe they can't/won't so call someone else who specializes in bonded overlays,,, they'll guarantee their work,,, evidently this guy hasn't used better materials,,, if our clients maintain the sealer every 2 yrs, we guarantee it for 10yrs
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Boy, that sure is overkill....Remove a slab in order to stamp it? All that needs doing is first understand the nature of the surface and then affect that, so that the overlay bonds. Not complicated...certainly no different than dealing with the new slab - but far less costly.

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frenchy's right a good comparison'd be replacing the house 'cause the roof's in bad condition & you need to have the roof truss's upgrad'd
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well,it's looking more and more like I'm going to have to have the slab removed and re-poured. nnobody seems to want to do an overlay. they either won't return the calls for an estimate or like the guy I talked to this morning,whose website was real encouraging, the job is too small and they'd have to charge me some outrageous "minimum". O'Bama must be right,"the economy isn't that bad" wish some of you guys lived out here so I could get this done!

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our minimum's $ 1,750 unless the client has a young child for lease
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our minimum's $ 1,750 unless the client has a young child for lease
"conc", that minimum is as outrageous as the one quoted by the guy I mentioned. you two must work for the same outfit.
tarring and feathering is too good for rapacious concrete contractors, the "rack" is much more appropriate!
and what's the stuff about the "young child"? you can get 15-25 for such things in colo.
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my minimum includes 3 trips,,, generally speaking, artists starve & good artisans eat well & drive new pickups voting w/your wallet's time honored & i do it all the time EXCEPT when i want someone's work - then i pay their price,,, generally you can expect to pay day rate, materials, frt, sales tax, equipment, travel, yada,yada, yada same's any other biz,,, you can also expect the markup's 40% - $700 for 3 days isn't outrageous in my view this won't surprise you - i've got competitors who'd charge $ 900 - $ 1,200 for the same work,,, i know this because our clients have told us so when we repair it some who we quoted originally so they've had to pay TWICE - another vote w/their wallet, eh ? ? ? pay what you want but remember you'll have to look at it for years,,, if i thought you'd have misgivings, we'd decline the work & have many times,,, no hard feelings - its just business, not personal,,, after 37yrs of placing/paving/repairing/enhancing concrete, i don't need anyone to complain so its just better if we part company while still speaking cordially, right ?

forgot you were in colorado,,, was thinking vt where's the sentences're MUCH less OR non-existent at times
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got a bunch of estimates and they're all pretty high for something in my estimation is a small job (55 sq. ft.) so my wife and I will DIY with those Daitch products. doesn't look too hard. (got a dvd) like I told the wife,"it can't look worse than it already does"
anyway, I plan on using "Planipatch" to repair the surface of the concrete but first, I have to remove some old i/o carpet adhesive. this stuff is really on there. even a power-washer won't budge it. any ideas how to remove it? muriatic acid?

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you'll find that answer in the 1st response posted on this thread.
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I'm anxious to see how your cement turns out with the Daich. The cement leading to my front door is pitted and chipped away too. So I was thinking about using it too.
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from my read ' of ' daich ', its a private-label'd product by who knows,,, from my knowledge of the industry/trade/craft/materials, generally no pro's ( but possibly some in their local area ) are using it,,, if you're bound to diy, i'd suggest a local const or pool supply house if only because you'd have recourse & support in person most, including the big 'uns, have customer svce phones mann'd by tom, dick, & larry who might've just been fired from an apron store,,, the 1-time user/customer's always at the btm of the pile - just think about it !

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from my experience using daich coatings it goes on easily, and ends up as sort of like rhino-liner for yer truck.
what i did years ago still looks like the day i did it.

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