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Old 04-05-2009, 09:04 PM   #1
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Ceramic Tile on Concrete Slab


I am currently putting ceramic tile on a concrete slab and any experienced advice would help. My house is about 7 years old and in kentucky; there are no cracks on the slab. I am installing a ceramic tile that is about 1/4" thick and seem to notice the trend that some form of membrane is the best idea.

While I am not totally concerned about the cost to make the tile last, I would like to keep the cost to a minimum while trying to solve these problems:

1) ditra, protecto wrap, or red gard?

2) ditra seems to be the best, but what about the thickness which will affect the baseboards, toe strips and dishwasher?

3) or do I just need a flex-bond thinset?

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Old 04-05-2009, 09:22 PM   #2
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Hi,

A seven year old slab with no cracks? Huh, how did that happen? Are we talking about a room or the entire house with no cracks.

Such a slab like that might be a candidate to just going with a premium thinset that says it'll give up to 1/16"? Might work?

However....if you want to sleep well, I recommend using a membrane. Ditra of course I believe is the very best. It does much more than just isolate any future cracks. Ditra adds 1/8" total installed height.

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This is the type of question that, to my mind, gives rise to lots of related questions that, perhaps, don't appear obvious to the o.p. - but do to me given the differences in climate zones we're both in.

Here concrete cracks...and we build basements and deal with temperature extremes too.

I'll start by hypothesizing that in Kentucky as opposed to up here, you may (or may not) have a crawlspace or a basement underneath your kitchen slab, meaning that the slab is off the ground...seems unlikely, but I don't really know how things are done there. I'll also suggest it may be right on the ground and that the op may (or may not) know how that slab was 'waterproofed' from underneath...was there any attempt made to keep the flow of moisture through the slab somehow under control...the answer to that goes to the cracking issue.

And I'll also throw out this concept: that concrete slabs are 'breathing' systems where moisture and air go in and out at a rate that depends on a number of other factors, and is driven by hydrostatic and vapour pressure both from above and below and that cracks may appear due to a change in one or both of these external physical phenomena (air and vapour transmission). I don't know; I'm wondering out loud -or typing out loud, actually.

Furthermore, if you change those rates of transmission by covering the top or bottom surface of a slab with a different flooring, i.e. change those rates of transmission, would that affect the cracking issue? wouldn't there be more or less vapour transmission through the slab and is it not possible that cracks may appear as a result?

IMO, either way, Ditra is a sound choice...
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