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Old 12-09-2011, 01:14 PM   #121
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Been following along and feeling bad for ya Keith. Which is more frustrating now? Carpet or tile?

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If I were you I would be tempted to check the length of that seaming tape it could of been damaged and trimmed , then put back on the shelf Sorry I could not help myself.
You could be right...I wouldn't put it past them!
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Most seam tapes are 60'.
Thanks Rusty...didn't know that. I only guessed it was 50' by the product number. If it's 60', I'm laughing!
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Been following along and feeling bad for ya Keith. Which is more frustrating now? Carpet or tile?

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Right now, that's a pretty easy call for me.

I think I would rather do 500 square feet of tile than 500 square feet of carpet. Although if the carpet had been the right width to start width, it would be a toss up.
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Right now, that's a pretty easy call for me.
I think I would rather do 500 square feet of tile than 500 square feet of carpet.
Your situation yesterday and today was me thirty-five years ago. You don't and won't hear about or see me ever touching a piece of carpet these days unless it is to walk on it. Carpet and sheet vinyl both got me in so much trouble years ago......

I grew to hate the damn stuff fairly quick.
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I'm a firm believer in giving credit where it is due, and today the fellow at the House of Pot was only concerned about resolving my carpet problem and making me happy.

The end result - after a long and involved explanation by myself of all the associated problems that this narrow carpet has caused - is that we have been refunded the money for the amount of the carpet that we never received, which is as it should be.

After a thorough discussion, involving the chap who originally sold us the carpet, his boss and a fellow who has decades of carpet installation experience - including installing some very expensive carpet for royalty in England - we determined that I could switch the two remaining rolls from where they were originally to go, at which point I would then need about a 4 foot length (12' wide) to finish in front of the window.

They gave me a 5' long x 12' wide piece at no charge to cover this.

From my perspective, this is a workable solution and is definitely preferable to returning all the carpet and starting from scratch. I did suggest that if they would like to come and get the carpet, I would be fine with that.

I had an excellent chat with the long time installer, and he gave me some of the finer tips about installing carpet on the stair treads.

And Rusty, you will be happy to know that he said tackless is the way to go on the treads in this circumstance.

It was suggested to me, on another website, that I glue both the underpad and carpet to the treads. I have learned that this would very quickly become a disaster.

Now, the piece of carpet I picked up today may not be from the same dye lot, but we don't know for sure (probably not). So tomorrow, when we have some daylight I will be comparing the colours.

One other thing I have noticed about these berbers is that when they are first unrolled, the carpet is extremely flat. Once unrolled for a day, the loops seem to stand up and the carpet looks very different. I take it that this is normal...?
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Your situation yesterday and today was me thirty-five years ago. You don't and won't hear about or see me ever touching a piece of carpet these days unless it is to walk on it. Carpet and sheet vinyl both got me in so much trouble years ago......

I grew to hate the damn stuff fairly quick.
That I can definitely believe...

The thing about tile is that once you get it down and grouted...that's it! Done! Finito!

And the thing is that the tile really doesn't cost any more than carpet. I can't really say that about the terra cotta tile, but then you could easily buy a more expensive carpet than what the T/C tile cost I guess.

As long as the missus likes this carpet, then I'll be a happy camper.
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Keith,what was the reason for the carpet not being 12 ft in width? This I got to hear
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Keith,what was the reason for the carpet not being 12 ft in width? This I got to hear
Still do not have the answer to that question.

However, they didn't have any problem providing me with the contact information for the manufacturer (Mohawk Carpets) and I will be calling them on Monday morning.

One of the reps there said that this width was "within tolerance" for first quality product, as HD does not deal in seconds.

I disagreed with that comment, as you may have guessed, by saying that every one of their advertising signs clearly shows the widths as being 12', and not 11' 5".

We did measure another roll of berber, and it was 11' 11 3/4" wide. In fact, that is the roll my extra 5' piece was cut from. So it appears that there is no allowance for trimming these carpets if you should happen to need a full 12' width.
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I would of suggested that if a measure of 11' 5" is " within their tolerances" that they put a sign up stating that to all customers. And if it within there specs why did "their employees" not only not know this, but not check to see if would affect the amount needed by customers when purchasing. One would think when purchasing carpet that is suggestively sold as 12' goods the salesperson would bring it to ones attention. Maybe he is use to stating things as being bigger than they REALLY are
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I don't know why the difference, but in the US, berber is almost always 12' 1 1/2" to 12' 2".
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I ran a carpet wholesale store in Victoria many years ago and the only odd sized rolls we had were rolls that were specialty products, mainly wool carpets.
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I would of suggested that if a measure of 11' 5" is " within their tolerances" that they put a sign up stating that to all customers. And if it within there specs why did "their employees" not only not know this, but not check to see if would affect the amount needed by customers when purchasing. One would think when purchasing carpet that is suggestively sold as 12' goods the salesperson would bring it to ones attention. Maybe he is use to stating things as being bigger than they REALLY are
If and when you should meet me in person, you will realize that I don't buy all of their BS. It simply doesn't fly.

One thing I forgot to ask was just how low their tolerances did go. I will ask that of Mohawk when I call them next Monday. And next time I'm in HD, I will let them know what Mohawk said...regardless of what it is.
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I don't know why the difference, but in the US, berber is almost always 12' 1 1/2" to 12' 2".
And I mentioned this to the sales guy, and he looked at me with a quizzical look like I was 49 cents short of a dollar.

Then I said I got this information from a fellow with damn near 40 years experience in the business, (that would be you) so why would I have any reason to doubt his word?
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I ran a carpet wholesale store in Victoria many years ago and the only odd sized rolls we had were rolls that were specialty products, mainly wool carpets.
That is also something the very experienced carpet layer mentioned today. Even he had no valid reason for why the carpet was so narrow.

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