Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Flooring

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-26-2011, 12:24 PM   #16
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Share |
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironlight View Post
But the ark had ramps!

Well OK, my concerns are allayed. I was not so much concerned about slipping on the bullnose itself as just the issue of having multiple types of surfaces on the stair. Heard too many horror stories about people getting very badly hurt falling down a simple run of steps.
Hahahaha! Sorry, I forgot about the ramps! Shame on me.

Great to see someone with a sense of humour! (sorry about all the Canadian spellings here...)

You are right about accidents on stairs. It doesn't seem to matter about the simplicity of a set of stairs or the surfaces, there are still thousands of accidents every year.

Vicky Scott, a neighbour (Canadian spelling again) across the bay from us has her doctorate in stairs and injuries related thereto of all things. She is from the University of Victoria, and we have had numerous discussions about stairs in the past. The last time was when my wife took a tumble down the stairs in the cabin here...she was going down in the dark of all the silly things to do.

I have always said that the worst problem with stairs is the too short run of the treads. If you make a tread at least 11" wide, you have gone a long way towards eliminating the main cause of falling.

I'm trying to remember what Vicky said about the ratio of going up and going down accidents was, but the old timers' is preventing me from coming up with that number. I do recall it being over 90% when going down the stairs.

__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:48 PM   #17
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Quote:
Originally Posted by jiju1943 View Post
Keith, on the open side of your stairs are you going to install stair brackets? I know they are high but as good as you are with wood you can make some for little to nothing. Here is a link to some fancy ones.
http://www.crownmoldings.net/ccp0-ca...-brackets.html

If you didn't want to make the carpet an insert you could install brackets with the top edge above the treads and butt the carpet into them. I am still thinking.
Wow! Your stair expertise is showing here Jim.

I have never seen those before. There's my one thing learned for the day...thank you!

On the inside of the upper stairs, which is to say the open side, the depth of the tread is about 8 1/2", and against the wall about 16". So it's a very deep tread, and therefore easy to walk down.

I would think those stair brackets are more in keeping with the old style traditional stairs which you used to build Jim. My place is more what is known as the "West Coast" style...must be because we are on the west coast!

Rusty has mentioned just tucking the carpet under on the open side, and I think that is probably the best idea.

If I put a tack strip on the inner edge of the tread (as well as the front and back) that would give a place to tuck the carpet without it being too high.

I guess I could staple that down as well.

Rusty...if you're still reading this could you let me know if it should be stapled on the outside edge and possibly even across the front edge?
__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:49 PM   #18
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Here's a couple of shots showing the depth of the tread on the upper and lower stairs. Plus one of the stair posts which are currently being glued up for the bottom stairs.
Attached Thumbnails
Carpet on stair treads only???-8-1-2-.jpg   Carpet on stair treads only???-3-1-2-.jpg   Carpet on stair treads only???-post-clampup.jpg  
__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 03:32 PM   #19
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,773
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


The tack strip should hold it without staples.
__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 03:46 PM   #20
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Thanks Rusty.
__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 08:16 PM   #21
STAFF
 
BigJim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 7,071
Blog Entries: 1
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Keith, I wasn't thinking when linking the stair brackets, I was thinking more in line that you could make your own style brackets that would be line with the style your home is, but come to think of it I never did install any brackets on all the radius stairs I built.
__________________
New members: Please consider adding your location to your profile.

Jim
BigJim is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 08:57 PM   #22
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Well Jim...now that I have the underlay here, I think I'm going to give Rusty's method a go. I will try one on the top stairs so it won't matter if I make a bit of a mess out of it.

I didn't get any of the bullnose pieces made up yet as it has been raining all day here, and I have to do the cutting and planing outside. I might try a couple of different profiles to see which one feels best on the foot.

The one I did at the transition to the laminate upstairs has been really good so far.
__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 10:23 AM   #23
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia Canada
Posts: 460
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


keith if you use tack strips all the way around and use staples on your fold over at the outer edge you should be fine. I tend to use a few staples on the front of the stair to give it a little more holding power for when I kick it onto the tack strip at the back. I would also suggest if you are doing this yourself for the first time using a kicker I might want to put something in front of my riser to protect it in case you slip with the carpet kicker. Also when you are using your kicker turn the dial on top only enough to catch the carpet and not the underpad. Hope these little tips help. BTW I was an installer years ago.
fixrite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 10:41 AM   #24
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,773
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


The problem with using staples on the folded under edges is that it will dimple. If it is a thick carpet, it will show and look terrible.
__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 10:51 AM   #25
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia Canada
Posts: 460
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


I would agree, but since Keith said he was using a berber I was not concerned. Besides when stapling any carpet one always tries to go between the tuffs of the carpet. In the olden days we would turn and tack it with blue tacks. But that was years ago.

Last edited by fixrite; 11-27-2011 at 10:54 AM.
fixrite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 10:58 AM   #26
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,773
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Quote:
Originally Posted by fixrite View Post
I would agree, but since Keith said he was using a berber I was not concerned. Besides when stapling any carpet one always tries to go between the tuffs of the carpet. In the olden days we would turn and tack it with blue tacks. But that was years ago.
Used many boxes of blue tacks. Back in the day of toilet tissue under seams and baby powder on skimless pad. Wow, I feel old.
__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 11:04 AM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia Canada
Posts: 460
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


This might be a situation where turning and tacking might be a good solution to these stairs. That is if the carpet is thick enough not to show the backing when turned.
fixrite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 11:07 AM   #28
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia Canada
Posts: 460
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


I think I still have my thimbles for sewing the seams. A LONG time ago , yes we are old, but if I don't look in the mirror, I can pretend I am still 30 something.
fixrite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 11:13 AM   #29
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,773
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Quote:
Originally Posted by fixrite View Post
I think I still have my thimbles for sewing the seams. A LONG time ago , yes we are old, but if I don't look in the mirror, I can pretend I am still 30 something.
My grandchildren and one great grandaughter won't let me forget how old I am.
__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2011, 01:06 PM   #30
Member
 
cocobolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Islands, B.C., Canada
Posts: 6,522
Default

Carpet on stair treads only???


Good to see you guys having fun this morning.

OK, I just measured the carpet thickness and it is 1 cm thick and 5 mm when I squash it, so it's pretty skinny.

The pad is an 8 mm "Trusted Cross-Linked Virgin Polyethylene Foam." For Pete's sake, couldn't they come up with a longer name?

So with the carpet squashed and 8mm of pad, that's 13 mm, or just a trace over 1/2" for those of us who still speak English.

I have never used a kicker before, so this will be another first. I have watched it being done of course, but watching and doing are two entirely different things. I did know about keeping the pins short enough to miss the pad.

As far as the short edges go on the inside open ends. I think I will continue the bullnose there as well. That should kill two birds with one stone as it were. I can make the front corner look good and provide the height to tuck the carpet in without needing to fold it. Does that sound OK?

Did I miss anything? Oh yes, grand kids...I have three.

__________________
Just an old guy messin' with bits of wood...
...the friendliest thread on the site! Come on by.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/gulf-...uilding-34958/
cocobolo is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What is the correct way to redo stair treads. John/Suz Flooring 5 10-13-2011 08:11 AM
Carpet upstairs with hardwood stairs ... what to do with top stair? jmai14 Flooring 3 09-10-2011 08:57 PM
2x12 redwood stair treads cracking in center JimmyRrichards Carpentry 4 08-10-2011 10:29 AM
Refacing stair treads Stair newbee Flooring 2 08-10-2010 10:35 PM
New stair treads and flooring rickkeeter Flooring 2 02-24-2010 10:16 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.