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Old 12-11-2011, 10:53 PM   #181
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The mills would tell you that twist in the carpet is in tolerance. Imagine if that had a very defined big pattern in it and you had to match it. That's something we see a lot.

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The mills would tell you that twist in the carpet is in tolerance. Imagine if that had a very defined big pattern in it and you had to match it. That's something we see a lot.
Really? That sure doesn't sound right.

Where that dog leg is, the pattern lines - which are in a diamond shape - are way out of whack. Most of that is getting cut off anyway, but I really don't see that as the point.

I wonder what they are going to say about the 3" that is cut off the opposite side?
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I had a lengthy chat with the good folks at Mohawk down in Missouri this morning...gotta love those accents!

In a very direct contrast to what we have come to expect from corporate America, I got some good information from a 35 year experienced tech person at Mohawk. I was, of course, expecting the runaround, and I'm glad to say the opposite was true.

I explained everything as best I could, and it seems that this carpet should never have left the mill. They have some sort of automated equipment which is supposed to read various bits of information off the carpet roll, one of which is the width.

Rusty, you might be interested to know that 11' 10" is the minimum width that they are supposed to let pass their Q.C. Evidently, a power stretcher can take care of most of that.

And as for that dog leg...that should have been caught and stopped on the spot. She was extremely surprised that the inspectors - of whom they have many - did not see that.

At this point I have made my peace, such as it is, with HD, but she said that I should let HD know and if a roll number can be provided with even a small end sample that Mohawk will make good on it.

So sometimes the big guys aren't so bad after all.

When I folded back the fat end over itself today, both sides of the piece overlapped the narrower section (as expected). The end of that roll is pretty sloppy.
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I had a lengthy chat with the good folks at Mohawk down in Missouri this morning...gotta love those accents!

In a very direct contrast to what we have come to expect from corporate America, I got some good information from a 35 year experienced tech person at Mohawk. I was, of course, expecting the runaround, and I'm glad to say the opposite was true.

I explained everything as best I could, and it seems that this carpet should never have left the mill. They have some sort of automated equipment which is supposed to read various bits of information off the carpet roll, one of which is the width.

Rusty, you might be interested to know that 11' 10" is the minimum width that they are supposed to let pass their Q.C. Evidently, a power stretcher can take care of most of that.

And as for that dog leg...that should have been caught and stopped on the spot. She was extremely surprised that the inspectors - of whom they have many - did not see that.

At this point I have made my peace, such as it is, with HD, but she said that I should let HD know and if a roll number can be provided with even a small end sample that Mohawk will make good on it.

So sometimes the big guys aren't so bad after all.

When I folded back the fat end over itself today, both sides of the piece overlapped the narrower section (as expected). The end of that roll is pretty sloppy.
That is great that you got a little satisfaction with the carpet Keith. Talking about accents, I went home with a buddy of mine who lived in Connecticut when I was in the Navy, his grand mother was French Canadian, even though she was speaking English, I could not understand anything she said. Man talk about talking fast, she was letting it roll. They all were really amused at the way I talked with my southern accent. I know I do have an accent but you haven't heard anything until you get just a little further south. Some of them ole boys down there talk so slow you have to hold yourself back from helping them talk.
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That is great that you got a little satisfaction with the carpet Keith. Talking about accents, I went home with a buddy of mine who lived in Connecticut when I was in the Navy, his grand mother was French Canadian, even though she was speaking English, I could not understand anything she said. Man talk about talking fast, she was letting it roll. They all were really amused at the way I talked with my southern accent. I know I do have an accent but you haven't heard anything until you get just a little further south. Some of them ole boys down there talk so slow you have to hold yourself back from helping them talk.
I actually spoke with four different folks there...all of them ladies. Eventually, they had me talking to the tech gal who was the one with 35 years experience. There didn't seem to be too much that she didn't know about carpet I can tell you.

As for the cut side of the carpet, this would have been done by a machine, not someone with a knife, and apparently it should have been one of the signs that this carpet should not have been shipped out.

She was explaining a little bit about some of the automated machinery there which was quite interesting. I wouldn't mind going through a factory like that just for interest's sake.

The standard lengths of carpet rolls from that mill is 100', 125' and 150'.

They will also do custom length rolls for special orders.
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I can tell you that most installers think that mill inspectors are blind. They can tell you what they want. Defective rolls coming out are not unusual . The thing is, once the store or installer cuts it, they are stuck with it. All berber and/or commercial carpet has some flaws. Always has. Just some are a lot worse than others.
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I can tell you that most installers think that mill inspectors are blind. They can tell you what they want. Defective rolls coming out are not unusual . The thing is, once the store or installer cuts it, they are stuck with it. All berber and/or commercial carpet has some flaws. Always has. Just some are a lot worse than others.
Blind inspectors!! Good one! Sounds like some of the building inspectors who will look the other way when a little green passes their palm.

I hear you on that berber, the sides are really pretty lousy. You'd think they might improve the manufacturing capability to remove all those flaws. I'm finding lots of melted lumps of something on the back side of those edges. It has to be taken off before the carpet will cut.
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Carpet price is partly based on weight. The mills discovered a long time ago that they could cut back on face yarn(it's expensive) and add Georgia clay(it's cheap) to the latex on the backings. They get the same weight for less money . But you get lumps and hard spots.
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Carpet price is partly based on weight. The mills discovered a long time ago that they could cut back on face yarn(it's expensive) and add Georgia clay(it's cheap) to the latex on the backings. They get the same weight for less money . But you get lumps and hard spots.
So that's what it is? The lumps are all the way down both sides where there is selvedge. I got the knack of snapping them backwards and they break right off.

Makes you wonder why they just don't save the clay and make real tiles out of it.
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With that much clay in it, maybe it should be called carpetile.
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With that much clay in it, maybe it should be called carpetile.
Don't they have a product they call carpet tile? Seriously...I think it comes in small squares.

It used to be around many years ago, don't know if it still is. I doubt very much if a real carpet layer would even get near the stuff!
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There is such a thing, and it's target is mainly the dyi person, although some are touted as being commercial type. I have seen some that are meant to be used outdoors mostly. I guess for patio areas and such. Glad to see you are making progress all in all. Cheers
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There is such a thing, and it's target is mainly the dyi person, although some are touted as being commercial type. I have seen some that are meant to be used outdoors mostly. I guess for patio areas and such. Glad to see you are making progress all in all. Cheers
This morning was another trip to town, but it was to replace a defective battery as well as get a new row of batteries.

When I got back there was a cedar log to split up and get up to the woodshed, so all in all there isn't any carpet work getting done today. I need good light to do that, and having got this far I don't want to run the risk of making a complete botch job of it if I can't see what I'm doing.

Plenty of other things to keep me busy here!
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They still make carpet tiles. You see them mostly in offices. If one gets dirty, you can take it outside and hose it off and put it back.
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Had a chance to try and cut the third row of carpet in the bedroom today.

I tried laying the cuts out on the back side of the carpet, and although I'm pretty good at math and layout, i couldn't get the lines to come out in exactly the same place twice. Close, but....

So I figured the only thing I could do was to start cutting off pieces that I knew for sure weren't needed and see if I could get the carpet past the door, which is what was causing all the difficulty.
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