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Old 12-10-2011, 03:11 PM   #151
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There is no need to stretch carpet prior to it being seamed or installed.
OK...I did read on one site that before you seam you should stretch a small amount. The reason they gave was because the heat bond tape apparently doesn't stretch.

So I just tried to stretch the tape by hand, and in a 4 foot length I can definitely stretch it somewhat. Which makes me think that the kicker will move it easily.

Does that make sense to you?

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Old 12-10-2011, 03:28 PM   #152
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OK...I did read on one site that before you seam you should stretch a small amount. The reason they gave was because the heat bond tape apparently doesn't stretch.

So I just tried to stretch the tape by hand, and in a 4 foot length I can definitely stretch it somewhat. Which makes me think that the kicker will move it easily.

Does that make sense to you?

Generally when I install carpet I would cut all the carpet including the seams. I would then kick one piece into place. Seam the joint and kick the other piece in to finish it off. Once the tape is ironed onto the carpet it is not going to go anywhere unless you are a brute and stretch the carpet beyond what it should be, or kick it before it has cooled enough. You will find that when you are ironing your seam that the tape will seem to grow a little as the glue melts it does stretch a wee bit, but not much.
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Generally when I install carpet I would cut all the carpet including the seams. I would then kick one piece into place. Seam the joint and kick the other piece in to finish it off. Once the tape is ironed onto the carpet it is not going to go anywhere unless you are a brute and stretch the carpet beyond what it should be, or kick it before it has cooled enough. You will find that when you are ironing your seam that the tape will seem to grow a little as the glue melts it does stretch a wee bit, but not much.
I gotta tell ya Mr. Fix, it's good to have someone who knows what the heck they are talking about. That makes far more sense to me. I promise you there is no chance of me kicking the carpet before it is very well cooled.

I will admit to being nervous about making those first two adjoining cuts.

Something else I just remembered...I don't know what kind of glue it takes to fix the edges of the berber with. Is it something special? I do have a variety of glues here and I forgot to ask when I was over yesterday if it was a specialty glue.
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Something else I just remembered...I don't know what kind of glue it takes to fix the edges of the berber with. Is it something special? I do have a variety of glues here and I forgot to ask when I was over yesterday if it was a specialty glue.
Not sure what you mean by fixing the edges. If you use a very sharp blade and press hard you should have a great cut,no need to glue anything then. Maybe I am missing something here.
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Not sure what you mean by fixing the edges. If you use a very sharp blade and press hard you should have a great cut,no need to glue anything then. Maybe I am missing something here.
No, I don't think you're missing anything.

But the videos I have seen all caution that berber has a tendency to leave little bits on the edge. If there is such a thing I can always use my Chinese scissors to trim it very carefully.

As you have suggested before, I will be using a brand new blade for the cuts.

Well, here goes...
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The only thing I can think of that might help is....make your first cut with the knife, if you have not cut all the way through the tuffs, then finish it off with your scissors. If you need to give me a call and I can walk you through any challenge you might have. Good luck
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I did as you suggested...

I put a piece of plywood under the edge of the carpet that was to be cut, laid the straightedge down, used a new blade in the knife, pushed like there was no tomorrow, but it still left quite a few strands that were not cut all the way through. The Chinese scissors finished that off.

Next, laid the next piece of carpet out and tucked it under the one I had just cut by just over an inch. Used the loop pile cutter on that, which worked quite well.

One thing I learned is never to make your first cut with that thing a long one. A short cut would have been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that first. While it did cut through everything, it still left a few strands here and there.

And you need to be really careful to keep the front edge of that cutter up against the top carpet. I knew that before I started the cut, but it ran off the wrong way anyway...just a little, but enough to annoy me. I might be able to pull the two edges together, but if not I may need to trim it again just a hair.
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Here's a pic of where I cut the carpet to fit around a post. No post in the pic, but I am guessing this should be the first seam I do.
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The carpet on the left I have cut...the other one on top is getting laid out in order to be cut.

Other pic is of the cutter at the end of that cut.
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Keith Looks good so far and the order of the seams, seems to be correct. By looking at the pic (around post)I was wondering if you have the nap of the carpet pieces all going in the same direction? It could just be the camera, but almost looks as if they are not going in the same direction.
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Keith Looks good so far and the order of the seams, seems to be correct. By looking at the pic (around post)I was wondering if you have the nap of the carpet pieces all going in the same direction? It could just be the camera, but almost looks as if they are not going in the same direction.
I should have taken a pic of the whole thing there...in fact, give me a minute and I will do that.

The carpet is all one piece, so no change in direction...it's just the light.

I cut it to go around the post, as you will see in a minute.
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Taken from different points around the post.

Now you can see it is all one piece.
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For what it's worth, I have been doing a few practice cuts on this stuff, and I have discovered that if you follow the lines of the backing that you get a better and cleaner cut than just using the straightedge.

Looks like I have more trimming to do because of that. Oh, well.
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Thanks for the new pics, looks GREAT from my point of view. I think you will be ready for a floor laying apprentiship soon.
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