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kleehammer11 11-07-2011 11:51 PM

can i install hardie board directly over tongue and groove sub floor?
 
i have my kitchen ripped out ready for a floor can i install hardie board directly to the tongue and groove. if not why? my t/g is in great shape, level, and 16 on center with 2x8 joist. If i can should i just use 1/4" hardie board. please help i have heard many conflicting answers.

Jmdesign 11-08-2011 06:00 AM

There should be a subfloor when installing tile. Make sure there is no flex or movement in the tongue and groove. Do not use hardy board on the floor, they are made for walls and certainly don't use 1/4". Use concrete board 1/2" only on the floors. If you still want to just stay with the tongue and groove and do not want to add or replace with a subfloor you might want to use a membrane. Check with the tile companies to see which membranes they carry. Avoid having the joints on the concrete board line up with the tongue and groove. Screw down well. Don't skimp. Ripping tile out because of cracks is not fun..... Hope that helps...

12penny 11-08-2011 06:23 AM

The short answer is no. T&G pine is not stable enough, with or without backer board.

Use the search function, this has been covered.

JazMan 11-08-2011 10:04 AM

I don't know who you asked, but there can be no conflicting accurate info on the subject. You should NOT install any backerboard direct over planks whether it's the subfloor or finished flooring. You need to install underlayment grade, (not cheapo CDX sheathing), plywood first. I recommend 1/2" if the planks are as in good condition as you say, thicker if not. More on that later when you ask how to install it.

JMdesign, OMG, where did you get this?

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Do not use hardy board on the floor, they are made for walls and certainly don't use 1/4". Use concrete board 1/2" only on the floors. If you still want to just stay with the tongue and groove and do not want to add or replace with a subfloor you might want to use a membrane. Check with the tile companies to see which membranes they carry. Avoid having the joints on the concrete board line up with the tongue and groove. Screw down well. Don't skimp. Ripping tile out because of cracks is not fun..... Hope that helps...
The only accurate statement is when you said, "Screw down well. Don't skimp. Ripping tile out because of cracks is not fun....."

To clarify; Hardie is a very acceptable, (#1 seller), CBU. 1/4" CBU's are made for floors and counters, 1/2" CBU's can be used anywhere 1/4" can, but mainly for walls cuz it's compatible with the thickness of wallboard. CBU's add no structural strength, just a "tile-friendly" surface. There is no advantage in using 1/2" on floors unless you want the xtra height.

In addition, membranes such as Ditra also require plywood to bond to. No membrane over planks ever.

Jaz

Jmdesign 11-08-2011 09:17 PM

Not trying to argue the point, but I didn't suggest staying with the tongue and groove. I suggested a subfloor but didn't force taking that step , but maybe should have, hence the screw down well comment. No I would not use 1/4" hardie backer on a floor too much flex and not for larger tiles We may agree to disagree on that one, only because our preference is 1/2" concrete board. Very good points though. Thank you for the insight.

poppameth 11-09-2011 05:50 AM

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In addition, membranes such as Ditra also require plywood to bond to. No membrane over planks ever.
Actually, if you believe what Tavy Thin Skin says....no never mind, we aren't even going there!

oh'mike 11-09-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmdesign (Post 766985)
Not trying to argue the point, but I didn't suggest staying with the tongue and groove. I suggested a subfloor but didn't force taking that step , but maybe should have, hence the screw down well comment. No I would not use 1/4" hardie backer on a floor too much flex and not for larger tiles We may agree to disagree on that one, only because our preference is 1/2" concrete board. Very good points though. Thank you for the insight.

:eek:--Any 'flex' is taken care of with the bed of thinset that the backer is set into before nailing or screwing.

1/4" for floors is fine---


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