Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Flooring

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-07-2010, 12:18 PM   #1
Tinkerer
 
dynamo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 40
Share |
Question

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


We decided to try steam cleaning instead of shampooing for our berber carpets downstairs in our raised ranch.
We paid for the service and it took 2 guys about 4 hours to do the 3 bedrooms upstairs (medium pile) and the berber in the family and office rooms downstairs.

We were quite pleased with the results for the price we paid ($150 CAD).

The office room was still rather damp when they were packing up so they suggested leaving a couple of fans on the carpet to dry it up.

The office room had two plastic chair mats, maybe total 3ft x 8ft so I could go from one computer desk to another easily.

I noticed when I lifted the plastic there was a moldy smell and was hoping the steam clean and disinfect would get rid of it.

It's been one week now and I've had industrial size fans blowing all night, used fabreeze and disinfectant but still notice an odour from where the plastic chair mats were.

There is 12mm of foam cushion under the berber so I suspect that over the past couple of years (last time that carpet was cleaned) the sponge remained damp but we never noticed.

Any ideas on how to get rid of the odour or should we tear it out and start fresh?

We're converting the room to a bedroom so if we should tear it out, now would be the time.

Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions.


Last edited by dynamo; 08-07-2010 at 12:20 PM.
dynamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2010, 02:41 PM   #2
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,830
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


I have seen mold on carpet that was probably caused by it getting too wet during cleaning. I have seen some so hot and wet that it shrunk more than 3 inches. So, yes it's possible that it caused your problems.

__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rusty baker For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-08-2010)
Old 08-07-2010, 03:11 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: oregon
Posts: 505
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


good detergents are by nature antimold BUT that doesn't mean the water shot in when steam extracting doesn't create a potential problem. i personally have cleaned many thick padded carpets and the one step that you can't overlook is dry strokes. that means running the wand over the area after you've shot it without pulling the trigger again. you really have to suck up as much water as possible. microban MIGHT save you in this situation. one gallon of industrial microban in a pump sprayer shot all over your carpets then crank the heat for a day-two, keep the fans going and dry it as much as possible

the reason a lot of places don't dry stroke the carpet is labor, it's kind of like doing the job twice since you go over the same area again. for what you mention we would have charged 30-35 cents a square foot. there's just no way it's profitable to do it the right way cheap.
racebum is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to racebum For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-08-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 08:34 AM   #4
Tinkerer
 
dynamo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 40
Thumbs up

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


Quote:
Originally Posted by racebum View Post
good detergents are by nature antimold BUT that doesn't mean the water shot in when steam extracting doesn't create a potential problem. i personally have cleaned many thick padded carpets and the one step that you can't overlook is dry strokes. that means running the wand over the area after you've shot it without pulling the trigger again. you really have to suck up as much water as possible. microban MIGHT save you in this situation. one gallon of industrial microban in a pump sprayer shot all over your carpets then crank the heat for a day-two, keep the fans going and dry it as much as possible

the reason a lot of places don't dry stroke the carpet is labor, it's kind of like doing the job twice since you go over the same area again. for what you mention we would have charged 30-35 cents a square foot. there's just no way it's profitable to do it the right way cheap.
Thanks rusty baker and Racebum.
Will give microban a try.
I don't know about the "cranking the heat" part in the summer, I know it would help dry it out, but I will try the fans again.
dynamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2010, 09:22 AM   #5
bbo
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Packerland !!
Posts: 1,016
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


you should run a dehumidifier in the room as well. if the room is closed, running a fan helps to move the mositure from the carpet to the air, but then where?
bbo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to bbo For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-08-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 10:14 AM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nashua, NH, USA
Posts: 6,932
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


The carpet must not be covered let alone with plastic sheets or panels, until it is dry.

The room needs to have outside ventilation or dehumidifiers; fans in a closed room overnight won't work.

"Steam cleaning" is primarily hot water with just a little steam. It's true name is "hot water extraction" where the water dissolves or suspends the impurities and most is suctioned away.

Cranking the heat was invented because the same air inside the room when warmed up will carry away more moisture.
__________________
Stop wasting time re-adjusting the pattern. Have several lawn sprinklers, one for each pattern.

Last edited by AllanJ; 08-08-2010 at 10:18 AM.
AllanJ is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AllanJ For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-08-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 11:47 AM   #7
Tinkerer
 
dynamo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 40
Thumbs up

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


Quote:
Originally Posted by bbo View Post
you should run a dehumidifier in the room as well. if the room is closed, running a fan helps to move the mositure from the carpet to the air, but then where?
I'm thinking the central AC would be enough to wick the moisture out of the air that the fan draws up from the carpet, foam sponge underneath.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanJ View Post
The carpet must not be covered let alone with plastic sheets or panels, until it is dry.

The room needs to have outside ventilation or dehumidifiers; fans in a closed room overnight won't work.

"Steam cleaning" is primarily hot water with just a little steam. It's true name is "hot water extraction" where the water dissolves or suspends the impurities and most is suctioned away.

Cranking the heat was invented because the same air inside the room when warmed up will carry away more moisture.
The fans are on with all the other doors open, ceiling fans and bathroom fans on as well, so there's plenty of circulation.
The plastic mats are not going to be used again on carpet in our house, until maybe AFTER the carpet/foam become completely dry.
They are in the garage and will stay there, plus they get a dirty look from me when I see them in the garage, LOL!
I'll probably layout the new office area in such a way that I can reach everthing without having to scoot across plastic mats.

Thanks for the great feedback everyone.
dynamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2010, 11:49 AM   #8
Pro Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 3,830
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


But the truth is, many carpet cleaners don't have a clue what they are doing. I have seen these companies hire college or high school students, give them a couple hours of instruction and send them on jobs. I have seen many carpets saturated by cleaners. And extraction means most of the water should be extracted. But they don't want to spend the time to do it right, because "time is money". Every time a carpet is soaked, you shorten it's life. Carpets are made with latex adhesive, a water soluable adhesive. A few soakings and it breaks down and the carpet starts to delaminate.
__________________
The ads in my post are there without my permission. I do not endorse any of the products.
Semi-Retired Installer
Installing since 1973
rusty baker is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rusty baker For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-09-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 04:20 PM   #9
bbo
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Packerland !!
Posts: 1,016
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


I would still get a dehumidifier. We also have central air and you would be amazed at how fast a demumidifier will fill after carpet cleaning. If you relay on your central air to pull the water out, it will take much longer.

It does sound like there was not enough water extracted when the carpets were cleaned. When we moved in, we cleaned our own and I made a minimum of 3 passes over a cleaned area. one should really pull using only vacuum until no apparent water is being pulled out.

If you don't have one or one you can borrow, you could probably reny one locally.
bbo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to bbo For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-09-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 04:22 PM   #10
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: oregon
Posts: 505
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty baker View Post
But the truth is, many carpet cleaners don't have a clue what they are doing. I have seen these companies hire college or high school students, give them a couple hours of instruction and send them on jobs. I have seen many carpets saturated by cleaners. And extraction means most of the water should be extracted. But they don't want to spend the time to do it right, because "time is money". Every time a carpet is soaked, you shorten it's life. Carpets are made with latex adhesive, a water soluable adhesive. A few soakings and it breaks down and the carpet starts to delaminate.
this is actually why my partner and i refuse to try and grow our business, at least at this point. finding employees that care about the work and the customer like we do as owners just isn't happening.
racebum is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to racebum For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-09-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 06:28 PM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: north east
Posts: 728
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


I second bbo's suggestion, much better to use a dehumidifier then the fan
__________________
LIVING THE DREAM
DUDE! is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DUDE! For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-09-2010)
Old 08-08-2010, 11:26 PM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: oregon
Posts: 505
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DUDE! View Post
I second bbo's suggestion, much better to use a dehumidifier then the fan

depends, in the middle of summer a strong fan will circulate the air and do a great job. the whole idea is to remove moisture from the room. that means ventilate or dehumidify. the only time i'll use dehumidifiers in the summer is if it's in an office complex that isn't able to get enough airflow for fans to be effective

in the winter, it's a no brainer than a dehumidifier is the way to go.

they work well in the summer too, just usually not needed when it's 80-90 out.
racebum is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to racebum For This Useful Post:
dynamo (08-09-2010)
Old 08-09-2010, 06:22 AM   #13
Tinkerer
 
dynamo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 40
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


We have rented and borrowed friends' shampooers before.
I would have done it myself this time too, but working gets in the way.

I know what you all mean about making several dry passes.

I remember spending 3-4 hours one night then 2-3 the next morning on one bedroom alone.

We had been renting a room to a coworker for a couple years.
I must have drawn 6 pails of dirty water out of the carpet, then went over it dry until I could get no more water out.

Those little shampooers are quite the vacuum cleaners!

I'm going to try dehumidifier, fan and microban.
If all else fails, the carpet and cushion are coming out.



Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Next time, the cleaners don't leave until it's dried to our satisfaction!
(I guess we won't be getting the same ones back over and over again LOL!).

Last edited by dynamo; 08-09-2010 at 06:26 AM.
dynamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2010, 06:39 AM   #14
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3
Default

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


Quote:
Originally Posted by racebum View Post
good detergents are by nature antimold BUT that doesn't mean the water shot in when steam extracting doesn't create a potential problem. i personally have cleaned many thick padded carpets and the one step that you can't overlook is dry strokes. that means running the wand over the area after you've shot it without pulling the trigger again. you really have to suck up as much water as possible. microban MIGHT save you in this situation. one gallon of industrial microban in a pump sprayer shot all over your carpets then crank the heat for a day-two, keep the fans going and dry it as much as possible

the reason a lot of places don't dry stroke the carpet is labor, it's kind of like doing the job twice since you go over the same area again. for what you mention we would have charged 30-35 cents a square foot. there's just no way it's profitable to do it the right way cheap.
I was really surprised reading this. Always trusted my local carpet company. Guess I will second guess/double check the next ones I hire.
jennieburns25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 05:46 AM   #15
Tinkerer
 
dynamo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 40
Cool

berber carpet ruined by steam clean or we just didn't notice odour? Has moldy odour.


update:

I plugged in a room dehumidifier along with 2 fans and the central air (always on this summer anyway LOL) yesterday morning.

I was happy when I checked this morning and there's probably 2 litres of water in the tank!

That's the level it was at last night so I'm guessing most if not all of the water is gone.

I'll leave everything except the central air on, spray a little fabreeze (until I can find this "microban" stuff) and check for the odour this afternoon when I get back from work.

Wife can make the call tonight or tomorrow whether any odour is bearable, if I should shampoo it myself or if we should start fresh.

Many thanks for all the ideas especially the dehumidifier part!!!

dynamo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Carpet cleaning - sump water n0c7 Flooring 17 08-29-2011 07:04 AM
Carpet in the basement Packer Backer Flooring 16 11-03-2008 11:19 PM
Good equipment to use for carpet cleaning? Beth777 General DIY Discussions 5 08-29-2008 08:16 PM
Finishing Basement, carpet install order? tigerbalm2424 Flooring 33 07-24-2008 08:35 AM
Gaps at baseboards after carpet install cometbus Flooring 9 10-01-2007 07:48 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.