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Old 10-29-2013, 02:15 PM   #1
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A misnomer in baseboard. Currently in my house we have baseboard in most of the rooms. In the living room, in the hallways...these were all installed (updated from the previous) before we had new carpet installed a few years ago. Leading to the doorways with the baseboard, I placed plinths (a decorative block) at the ends of the baseboard, and installed new casing/trim around the door frames. I feel it gives a distinguished feel and look.

Ok. So the scene has been set right?

Well we hate the carpet in the living room and hallways. The traffic is too much on the tuft, stains, the kitties love to pull on it. You get it. So we've discussed the idea of hardwood.

Ok?

So what happens with the baseboard?! My reasoning has always been that baseboard FINISHES the walls right? So it's always been there. And carpet has always been layed after that baseboard. You don't install carpet wall to wall, and then put the baseboard floating over the carpet right? So how does it go for hardwood? Does it now have to be removed, along with the plinths? And if I remove those, then I have to remove the trim from all the doors too? If the hardwood is layed with the baseboard installed, then it looks like the floor is floating and not part of the floor? I'm not a fan of the quarter round trim either that is supposed to button up the space between the floor and the baseboard either. That looks awful. Especially on corners and stops.

I tried looking for examples, but I know experts will know what I'm talking about. I didn't realize my questions turned into a rant. Haha

So basically, what seems to be the general idea on this installation? My ideas are more old school, wanting everything to have a finished look.

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Old 10-29-2013, 02:24 PM   #2
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Get used to the idea of having to have 1/4 round or your going to see gaps all over under the base even if you take it off install the flooring and reinstall it.
No floor is perfectly flat.
I'd just under cut the door jambs and plinths and run the flooring under them so there no visible seams to show.

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Get used to the idea of having to have 1/4 round or your going to see gaps all over under the base even if you take it off install the flooring and reinstall it.
No floor is perfectly flat.
I'd just under cut the door jambs and plinths and run the flooring under them so there no visible seams to show.
I know. It's so depressing. 1/4 rnd just looks so clunky. More surface area to collect dust and kitty hair .

This picture from the web- gorgeous finished product!
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If you stood back and looked at it face on you would see the gaps under the base.
There showing it at an angle and up high so it's hidden.
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Having just finished installing hardwood I would take off the trim. I think it would be hard to not damage it when installing and finishing the new wood floor.
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In all the new houses i see, the baseboard is always put down after the flooring. If the floor has bumps then the baseboard is scribed to fit properly. I never use 1/4 round, I think it is a way to cover up a poor installation of flooring. I know that may be the look some ppl are going for, but that's the first thing that crosses my mind when I see it.
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I've only worked on 2 or 3 hundred houses but I've never seen anyone take all the time to scribe any base board. That would get old real quick, cause issues issue with joints and inside and outside corners, double the cost of a simple trim install job.
Give it a try and see how it works out for you.
Not saying it's wrong, just not very practical in real life.
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Op said he wanted to know what the best way was for him. I feel this is the best way. A simple bevel on only the bad pieces and a few passes with a block plane is all you need. Not sure why y would have problems with the corners. I guess breaking out some hand tools could be a bit much for some ppl. I work in an millwork shop and we send out miles of running trim for hundreds of houses per month and we never send molding for our baseboards.
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I never use 1/4 round, I think it is a way to cover up a poor installation of flooring. I know that may be the look some ppl are going for, but that's the first thing that crosses my mind when I see it.
Completely agree. That's my thought. I see 1/4 rnd and immediately think, "oh. Shortcuts. What is being covered up?" I see no issue with installing baseboard after now, and getting it as close to the floor as possible.
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Why is everyone saying 1/4 round? If anything needs to be used I would use shoe molding. It's 3/4" high by 1/2" wide.
I think with taller base, another piece of molding adds dimension.
BTW I put my floor in first then the base board.
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1/4 round and shoe are similar but shoe is usually a bit higher and narrower. Both serve same purpose just a matter of prefernce
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Hard floor covering should have shoe or 1/4 round as in this example. Sometimes it's possible to skip the shoe because you're also installing new base.

One of the main reasons to skip shoe or 1/4 is to do the job cheaper. That's the main motivator for many builders. But there are some homeowners that like the more simple, sleek look.

However, the laws of nature says that most floor coverings need room for expansion and sometimes you must use base and shoe. Most 3/4" hardwood floors need a min. of 1/2", others can get by with 1/4" in smaller rooms.

What's bad about this look? This is the way hardwood, ceramic and resilient floors should be finished. To me you skip the shoe only with carpeting.

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Not a problem if the door casings are big enough to accept the shoe and the baseboard. Most times i see the shoe return into itself near a door casing. In this case thicker casing or a plinth can be used
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I'm another 1/4 round hater.

We'll see how much I hate it still, after my renovation. I'll try my best not to use it.
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Not a problem if the door casings are big enough to accept the shoe and the baseboard. Most times i see the shoe return into itself near a door casing.
I have both types of casing and although one looks nicer than the other, the basic casing with shoe looks fine too.

Do the job which ever way you like, just don't sacrifice the expansion gap.

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