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Old 07-15-2008, 10:03 AM   #16
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Heed Bud's words. What you don't see is more important that what you do see. Chances are if the finished work is this bad, the substructure may be inferior and there's most likely no waterproofing.
Putting bandages on it at this point does no good either. A qualified person needs to examine what's happened underneath to determine how much needs to be redone. Regardless of how much you paid to this point, if you don't fix ALL of the potential problems, a cosmetic fix will still bite you in the arse later.

BTW, since it's porcelain and not slate....it's even worse then I originally thought!

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Old 07-15-2008, 10:07 AM   #17
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The flooring is marine ply coated with PVA. We then put down our under floor heating and he then tiled on top.

I might just pay him in photocopied money and say 'here is some shabby money for a shabby job!'
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:13 AM   #18
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Heed Bud's words. What you don't see is more important that what you do see.
I have taken step by step pictures of the work carried out and as far as I can tell it has been:-

WALLS - Plasterboard > plaster > tile adhesive > tiles

FLOOR - Marine Ply > some kind of PVA > tile adhesive > tiles

Is this right?
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:01 AM   #19
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Tile adhesive? Many of us here don't like tile adhesive, what some call 'mastic' because of the way it dries: by evaporation of the carrier solvent leaving behind a polymerized film.

It's an organic emulsion as it comes in the pail, and is not recommended in wet areas because the emulsion even if fully cured with revert back to the components of the emulsion: carrier+polymer giving you a gooey mess that doesn't hold anything. So mastic is out except for walls maybe. But given the disadvantages most of us prefer thinset mortar.

So in the walls, where's the waterproofing? what stops the water even if it's over a bathtub - from penetrating behind the tiles and growing moldy? Ditto for the floor.

What's PVA? "Polyvinyl alcohol" in my books - but then I don't read the same books as many...

Some might also recommend a "floor deflection" test to see whether or not your floor joists are stiff enough not to give you cracking of the tiles, along the grout lines sometimes, in due course. But if it's a 6x6 room there may not be a need. We like having 1.25" - 1.625" thick floors too depending on what tile you put down. But that's another issue.
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This is the PVA that he coated the floor with:-

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/na...&isSearch=true

I've got a headache!
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I don't understand the use of the PVA. I now too have a headache.

However, I'd like to know more about one of their other products;Evo-Stik Sticks Like Sh*t sealant
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Well, I was close with 'polyvinyl alcohol' as I can't see anywhere on Bostik website the exact definition of that term but it doesn't really matter anyway. To me and I may be wrong it is a PVA adhesive or what we call a mastic, organic adhesive that dries by evaporation. Not the product we would use, but permissible in certain circumstances - no matter what the company advertizing says...

I mean there's nothing wrong with mastics for the DIY'er but pros use cement. The last thing after all that a pro wants is a recall from you in a year complaining about mold and/or leaking issues.

But I don't know what the British codes say...so I won't comment on the suitability of the use of PVA in bathrooms. Let the next pro who does it use what he can warranty using the appropriate code over there.

But to me it is a "waterproof" acrylic or PVA mastic.
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I wondered about that when I saw the vent on the floor the confusion was the wall faucets, very european......
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Old 07-16-2008, 04:44 PM   #24
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I would bring in a pro to quote the redo. Ask him to do the quote with a seperate price for tearout of the bad (assuming he has to tear out). Then deduct the tearout cost from what he says you owe. If he screwed it up and you have to pay someone extra to fix it, then he should pay for that.

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