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Old 11-13-2008, 10:15 PM   #31
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It gives use a chance to issue retractual statements that may have lead to misinformation.

Therefore... I retract everything I said based on the lack of asbestos in
the tile.

Since we know the core of this issue was based on the improprites of the Bush admistration's failed policies I think I can safely say that January will bring a new light to the presented problem.

With all that being said I concluded that the magic bullet for this application is....can we all say it together>>>> Ditra!

Oh Jaz.. I accept your refined apology for the non-issue that brought us to this conclusive point.
I apologize as well for ass-uming the content of the said tile.

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Old 11-13-2008, 10:39 PM   #32
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I would still like to know how the heck this floor is built. I would also recommend a mold test because of the plywood. If the basement is slightly humid as most, it wouldn't surprised me if the spores count were on the high side.

I fully agree, we should use Ditra whenever possible.

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Old 11-13-2008, 11:02 PM   #33
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It seems to me that new homeowners somehow acquire an instinctive compulsion to cover everything in their newly acquired homes with ceramic tile. Walls, counter tops, floors, everything needs to be covered with ceramic tile.

There are lots of good choices when it comes to choosing and installing durable flooring. Ceramic tile is NOT the only game in town. If this old resilient tile dates from the 80's, then it's at least 18 years old now, and could have lasted much longer except for the uncontrollable urge to clad with ceramic tile.

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Have you given any thought to simply stripping whatever floor finish there is on these tiles and simply installing new, more attractive, resilient tiles over them? Or, removing the existing tiles and putting down new resilient tiles.

With resilient tiles you don't need to put down the Ditra nor remove the plywood you apparantly have as some sort of underlayment/subfloor. And, there are fewer pitfalls to getting a successful installation. You don't have the problems with changes in floor height. You don't run into the myriad of problems newbies encounter in their first few ceramic tiling projects, like removing the grout haze after grouting, or the grout drying to the wrong colour, or the grout not drying to a uniform colour, or the grout lines cracking in time (for whatever reason).

I just can't help thinking that if there hasn't been any problem with the existing flooring material for 18+ years, there's a certain wisdom in sticking with the same flooring material, and learning how to maintain it's appearance rather than switching to ceramic tile in the hopes that it'll be so well done and durable that it will never require any repairs or maintenance to keep up it's appearance.

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Old 11-14-2008, 07:41 AM   #34
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Jazman. I've seen 9x9 tiles that I know were installed in the 60s that tested asbestos free and 12x12s from the early 80s that were positive. Go figure.
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Yes I know. But those tiles were not vinyl asbestos (VAT) or asphalt tiles. They also make solid vinyl and rubber tiles. They even used to make linoleum tiles, with backing and all up to the late '60's I believe?

In this case MC just got the time frame wrong, the tiles must have been made in the '80's. I believe there were still some VAT made into the '80's, so there is no definite date certain cut off point. Even when there was no more production, old stock hung around for years after.

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they grounded up the tiles, and clue etc, and came back negative.
Would it be correct to assume they got a hold of some of the adhesive to test that as well?

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