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Old 06-28-2009, 09:44 PM   #16
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I work around this stuff every day for my job and I have a fear of it. For work once a year I have to take a osha required class and test on it. If I can pass the test I cant work. So ya I take it seriously.
You pass the test & then can't work?
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Old 06-28-2009, 09:49 PM   #17
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You pass the test & then can't work?
That's new
Fixed that thanks that sounded kinda stupid.

Sorry if i sounded rude. In my reply but I was just trying to help a fella out and I get insulted.
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Old 06-28-2009, 10:59 PM   #18
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Well, it's covered, but it was like night and day here.

The carpet people told me not to vaccume over it (when the vinyl was exposed) and that they legally couldn't take it up. I was also told by this same company it would be costly to have pros come out and take it up and how they would block off the sections to the front room and bedrooms.

THEN when someone from their company comes out and starts tearing up the floor, all of a sudden it's "nothing to worry about" and how they'd be dead by now if it was really bad.

I think they were lying like hell to me because they didn't want me to call an expert. I didn;t know what to do, it was friday. I didn't stop the job because I didn't want to be any more exposed. I felt bad for yelling at the worker. I didn't really scream at him bad, I was just so shocked my body reacted like "WHAT IN THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?"

I had avoided that area and asked the company to come out as soon as possible to cover it and look what happens.

Oh well, what's done is done.
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:13 PM   #19
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Look I'm just trying to help this guy out who came here looking for information. You don't need to be rude in your comment applying (implying, the word is implying) I'm not taking this serious.
We-l-l-l-l then allow me to explain my comments.

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That stuff is in the air and you and i breath it everytime we take a breath.
THAT just simply isn't true, what the hell you talkin' about?

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you don't need to worry about what just happened. I would open the windows and let it air out and wipe down the area. Whats done is done.
Open the windows and get the fibers air born, wipe everything and get the fibers air born. "What's done is done" - indeed!

THAT is an irresponsible statement.

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Asbestos work in the way of prolong (years and years) before it affects you.
So that makes it OK???

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I would just give the room a good air out and cover over it.
Are ya kiddin' me?

And here's the funniest one of them all.
You closed by saying:
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If you need any more info just ask me


WOW! Pretty arrogant for a guy that is so wrong in so many ways. Just ask me!

Here's the thing. People come to these websites for some helpful advice. Unfortunately too many of them are gullible and they hang on every word a person says here. They think they are talking with professionals and in some cases they are but you can't tell one phony name from another around here. THEN, information such as you dispensed lashes out there and the inquirer takes it as gospel and off they go never to return in some cases. Those are the people that get injured by comments such as yours. This place is full of lurkers that never make a comment. They just read and believe everything they see here. It is my intention when I see such garbage being voiced to do what I can to stop it immediately and to make the gullible aware of the potential risks that exist by believing everything that pops up here. If that's rude, so be it. Given the opportunity I'll stop you and others like you in their tracks every chance I get.

Folks that come here for answers deserve the absolute best information they can get and in this case your information was in error and virtually useless. In the future I'll try to do better how about you? Whattaya say?

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Old 06-29-2009, 08:10 AM   #20
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OK Bud. I see some of the points you make. Maybe i shouldn't have said to wipe it down or open windows. Maybe that was stupid. I'm only going with what I have been trained on. I think with asbestos there are a lot of misconceptions and myths.The only fact i have found about this is that it is dangerous and you sholuld not mess around with it. All in all i think none of us are experts and thats why we recommend professional. Not just your sake but for your family and the general public. Keep us informed on how everything turns out.
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:36 AM   #21
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To the OP. I would try to obtain a sample of the material and have it lab tested. Both floor covering and the mastic used under it. No one can look at flooring material or mastic and determine that it contains asbestos unless it is tested. There is a good chance that it is clean. Even old 9"x9" floor tiles can't be determined without testing. That is absolutely the starting point for any further clean up. Anyone who thinks that because his people didn't get sick from it, then it must be OK, is just ignorant about asbestos and how it affects people. It is also obvious that the installers are not being properly trained, since asbestos awareness training is OSHA mandated for anyone working in areas where ACM (asbestos containing materials) may be found. Flooring removal is one of the trades practices that would require training. Get it tested, then proceed accordingly. In the future, if ever you have a suspected asbestos exposure, lightly mist the material with water, then apply a damp cloth to it. If you have to wipe it up, make sure everything is kept dampened. Place the cloth in a sealed plastic bag, wash your hands thoroughly. Call a pro to evaluate and make arrangements to have the bag properly disposed of. This is not for removal, this is for emergency first aid only. There is no such thing as DIY asbestos abatement.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:40 PM   #22
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Honestly, we have tile down now and it's blocked and sealed. I don't see any old vinyl to pick up..

Just wondering -- what should I have done when someone made a mistake like that? Should I have halted the job (on a Friday) and called an expert? Then even if it is aspestos, I am screwed because it's exposed. And if it's not, I spend all that money on it getting tested.

I didn't know WHAT to do and of course I did come back online to read replies and, I admit, I believed what HOLT said and didn't worry.

I understand how serious it is, but obviously the floor guy didn't. I just didn't know what to do. I didn't know if I should halt the job because I didn't want to have to leave the house. I was pretty much screwed.
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The advice to get any remaining linoleum tested was good advice because as I understand it there never was any confirmation that the linoleum ever contained asbestos, meaning that you could be worked up over something that never existed. Here's one thing you could pursue if motivated. Call in an asbestos abatement technician who will filter the air to get a sample and swab surfaces to pick up settled partices. Under a microscope he can confirm the presence of asbestos or confirm that it is not present. If present the company that sent the installer will have to foot the bill for abatement. If there is no asbestos, you can rest easy.
As a science teacher for many years, I came in contact with asbestos at work long before anyone knew the material was harmful. I handled it w/o any precautions. Eventually the dept. of education sent people to remove it from the school. Despite this, I am more concerned about North Korea having nuclear weapons than me getting cancer or some other asbestos related illness. Asbestos has to be airborne and inhaled to be harmful and
I don't think that I am at risk.
Even when asbestos is found in a home, say covering pipes, as I understand it, the homeowner can simply encapsulate the asbestos with another material and leave it alone as a safe way to deal with it.
Don't get me wrong, I agree asbestos dust is bad news. And I agree that you you should be concerned, But I'd want confirmation that there was absbestos before I pushed the panic button. And should confirmation exist, it can be dealt with in a satisfactory manner although any exposure you suffered can't be undone.
By the way, the use of an ordinary vaccuum cleaner should not be attempted as it may make airborne the very particles (if they exist) that you don't want airborne.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:58 PM   #24
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For the sake of conversation I can tell you that asbestos was in fact used in those types of floor covering materials for a long time. It was also used in the adhesives that were used to install those floor coverings. Finally asbestos in those products was outlawed but inventories still existed and were routinely sold well into the 1980's. It is safe to assume that floor coverings such as vinyl sheet goods and vinyl square tiles as well as the adhesives installed before 1985 do contain asbestos and remediation should be dealt with accordingly.

I can also say that this subject has been in the fore-front of floor covering for more than two decades and everyone in the retail business knows it. This is no secret and no one has made an attempt to cover it up on any kind of a national scale. If you are a professional flooring installer with any vintage then you know asbestos is contained in those goods.

Being a late-comer to the industry is no excuse not to know what you could be dealing with on a daily basis. This is just one of the many problems that exist in the floor covering industry and any installer worth his weight will educate himself on the subject.
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My advice to you would be to get a third party to come in and take air samples. Have them evaluated for quantity of fibers and type. Advise the flooring company that you plan on doing this and you expect them to foot the bill regardless of the result. They are after all the people who told you it contained asbestos and then wrecklessly removed it. Have the air sampler explain, in writing, what is found and what the expected clearance levels are. If per chance the results are positive, then they need to be liable for contaminating your house and restoring it to a safe and livable condition.
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My advice to you would be to get a third party to come in and take air samples. Have them evaluated for quantity of fibers and type. Advise the flooring company that you plan on doing this and you expect them to foot the bill regardless of the result. They are after all the people who told you it contained asbestos and then wrecklessly removed it. Have the air sampler explain, in writing, what is found and what the expected clearance levels are. If per chance the results are positive, then they need to be liable for contaminating your house and restoring it to a safe and livable condition.
Throw in a blurb that you're going to call the state and the local TV news station about how poorly their workers handled the issue, and I bet you they come running to your door. I would say that in a heart beat, because that's exactly what I would do.

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