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Old 01-18-2010, 06:10 PM   #46
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You don't have to worry, they won't be USING them anyway. They will MELT THEM FOR THE GOLD!!! and those that buy them, make a LOT OF MONEY.

When you post in the auction that they are trash, that's all that is needed. The gold melters will outbid anyone that wants them anyway.

It's a good way to make money for some. People have been doing this for years and years.

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Old 01-18-2010, 06:23 PM   #47
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You don't have to worry, they won't be USING them anyway. They will MELT THEM FOR THE GOLD!!! and those that buy them, make a LOT OF MONEY.

When you post in the auction that they are trash, that's all that is needed. The gold melters will outbid anyone that wants them anyway.

It's a good way to make money for some. People have been doing this for years and years.
I was overdue for learning my new thing for the day! Thanks, Sheila. When I yank that panel out, I guess I'll try selling the breakers on eBay or Craigslist. I'll disclose they're used and not safe (in case there are idiots out there), but might as well see if I can get a return...
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:32 PM   #48
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Today I just purchased a Ridgid R4511 table saw (the one with the granite top). Looks like I'm going to go the route of making my own cabinets.

I got a deal buying a floor model at a nearby orange box -- only one left in this region. It was missing the fence rails and safety guards, but they're ordering replacements to make the unit whole again. Saw delivers tomorrow (400lbs is too heavy for me to haul), and parts in a week or two. Can't wait to start slicing into some wood.

Of course, it would help to finalize plans on design. Still working on that. Also need to pin down a time to do the electrical panel swap-out. Shame I wasn't ready today -- hi temp was 70F. (Played golf instead ).
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:42 PM   #49
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There's real gold inside a breaker ? Since when ?

Enough to make it worth while to strip it out ?
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:06 PM   #50
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every body's breakers can one-day get old & "go bad".
the Fed Pacific panel & breakers served my 1908 house well for 40 + some years. The only reason I changed out the box was, I did a major remodel including the kitchen. Buying Fed breakers on the black market would have cost me more then the change out to a new Square D panel box and umpteen more breakers. AND I had good connections.

Trash the old breakers if you want, but you will be flushing $ and $ help to the guy that needs one, down the toilet.

Fed Pacific was bought out and dissolved only to shrink the market.. not because they had a bad product.

Do your neighbors a service and sell them cheap.

American capitalism at it's best.
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Old 01-18-2010, 10:53 PM   #51
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every body's breakers can one-day get old & "go bad".
the Fed Pacific panel & breakers served my 1908 house well for 40 + some years. The only reason I changed out the box was, I did a major remodel including the kitchen. Buying Fed breakers on the black market would have cost me more then the change out to a new Square D panel box and umpteen more breakers. AND I had good connections.

Trash the old breakers if you want, but you will be flushing $ and $ help to the guy that needs one, down the toilet.

Fed Pacific was bought out and dissolved only to shrink the market.. not because they had a bad product.

Do your neighbors a service and sell them cheap.

American capitalism at it's best.
Big Bob, I hear what you're saying. However, I've heard too many horror stories and talked to too many folks with direct experience with FPE failures.

One example: Talked to a retired electrician last week who was working a repair job in the bathroom of a retailer. Breakers weren't marked, so he decided to simply trip the breaker by forcing a short. (I didn't say the guy was brilliant). The effort resulted in a blinding flash, his tool almost welded onto the short, and all the cash registers being shut down. The breaker never popped. He finally managed to pull back and break the short. His vision returned to normal later that day. He's a firm believer in the FPE legend.

You're the only one I've ever heard tout the praises of FedPac. I'm very greatful you had a good experience. I'm going to ensure my good experience by getting rid of the thing. I'm thinking more that, regardless of whether a purchaser is buying it for rare metals retrieval or to replace/supplement their FPE box, I'll go ahead and sell with an appropriate disclaimer. I can use the bucks, and they can make their own informed decision. (I'm also a firm believer in capitalism: whatever the market will bear! That's why I like eBay: Buyer decides what they're willing to pay).
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:51 AM   #52
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Good news: The new Ridgid 4511 table saw got delivered this morning. The HD delivery driver was kind enough to help me get this over-400lb/182kg bad boy into the workshop.

Bad news: The 2nd photo shows the result of trapping your hand between a 400lb table saw and the door jamb. I knew table saws had to be handled with care, but I forgot that even applied to when they were unplugged and had a cardboard blade installed.

Next steps: Get the back-ordered replacement parts (fence rails, fence clamp, riving knife/blade guard assembly), true up the machine and finish up the design plan for the cabinets. (Okay, also will build a fence face, buy some saw blades and a stacked dado assembly…)
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:35 PM   #53
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AAAAAHHHHH I'm so EXCITED for you!!!

What a HONEY! Looks like you can do wonders with that one!!?

I can't wait to see what you intend to make with your new Ridgid.

I have little information on table saws, and sure could use more information about this one.

The only one I have ever used is my brothers, and I don't even know which one it is!

I want a table saw so much, but have to wait on the room getting finished first. It's 9/10 finished being emptied, so it won't be too much longer.
That is, if you don't count the insulation, walls, paint, and a few minor things like that.

Sorry about your hand, but with a saw like that one, it shouldn't take long to forget about it, like as soon as the saw gets turned on.

Congratulations!

(I'm green with envy)
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:40 PM   #54
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Saw: Discovered that my saw is on the recall list for a potential problem when using stacked dado assemblies. Ridgid is searching for a local company to send someone out to service it. They asked me not to use the saw in the meantime. Suits, as I don’t have the missing parts yet (fence rails, etc.). Also, discovered there’s a safety “key” that you can remove from the on/off switch, so that kids won’t turn the saw on, etc. Someone apparently took the key from my unit when at the store, so I can’t start the darn thing anyway! Another call to HD, and they got a Ridgid rep to call within 10 minutes to get my address for shipping. Meanwhile, I ordered a dado assembly through the internet (Oshlun SDS-0842 8-Inch 42-tooth Stack Dado Set with 5/8-Inch Arbor).

Electrical: I’ve continued work analyzing my existing circuits, in preparation for swapping out the electric panel. I did a spreadsheet, listing each circuit, and collecting wattage or amp details on every installed fixture (lights, fans, etc.), and everything plugged into outlets. Converting watts to amps, I was able to calculate the maximum possible amps on each circuit, and compare to the breaker rating. I was okay for most circuits, but one in particular bugged my eyes out: A 15A circuit that could potentially draw over 42 amps! That’s if every light and ceiling fan on the circuit was on, the TV and stereo was going full blast, and I was running the vacuum at the same time. The breaker’s never popped, but since it’s a Federal Pacific panel, that gives me NO comfort! Breaking up that circuit with a couple new ones will be a prime objective.

Meanwhile, I talked to the Power Company (PoCo) about options for correcting the lack of a single “disconnecting means.” See related discussion: Neutral & grounds on separate bus bars?. I even sent the PoCo technician this link, so he could track the whole discussion…. Hmm, maybe not the best idea. This same gentleman, who did the original inspection a couple weeks ago and said everything was set up great, is now stating that the double-lugging is NOT allowed. Not sure where this conversation will end up, but I’m hoping to keep the PoCo as an ally and not an adversary in this situation. We’ll see…

Kitchen: Back to it someday, I hope!
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I checked the local HD - no saws
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:08 PM   #56
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Been distracted with some unrelated things lately (some traveling, and pursuing an exit from retirement later this year - alas). Still, been trying to progress on some things:

Saw: Got the local Ridgid contractor out to look at the saw arbor under the recall. Unfortunately my Ridgid wrenches haven't arrived yet, and neither he nor I had a wrench skinny enough to fit inside to hold the arbor to tighten anything on to it. Without a wrench that could fit, he couldn't test or replace the arbor. He'll have to come back when the wrench arrives -- hopefully this week, but we'll see. Switch key and dado set arrived, but still haven't turned on the unit yet.

Electrical: My contact at the PoCo has sluffed me off to a more-qualified expert; however, the new guy hasn't returned my calls yet. I'm really stuck until I can discuss with them, as the overall solution hinges on how to set up the meter box. I'll keep trying. Once we connect and resolve, I'll then diagram out the final solution, and probably post it in the Electrical section to get feedback. Then, it's buying all the required materials, scheduling a day (or two, just in case) to be without electricity while I fix everything, and then go for it!

Kitchen: Hard to even progress on planning, with the electrical problems overhanging everything. At least I've started a to-do list (which will eventually morph into a project plan, once I add a lot more detail). Here's the latest list:

· Finalize cabinet layout design
· Decide lighting scheme
· Decide cabinet materials/design
· Decide counter tops & backsplash
· Decide new appliances
· Remove laminate flooring and evaluate condition of tile flooring underneath; decide final solution (use tile, or remove/replace)
· Obtain plywood, wood, other materials
· Obtain drawer and hinge hardware
· Build cabinets
· Obtain new lighting fixtures
· Obtain new appliances
· Install new circuits for lighting
· Deconstruction:
o Remove cabinets (save for workshop), backsplashes, etc.
o Remove old wallpaper
o Remove soffits (OPTIONAL)
o Remove tile floor, if needed
· Repair drywall
· Scrape popcorn from ceiling
· Install new light fixtures
· Repair/mud ceiling (goal is to have flat ceiling)
· Prime & paint room
· Install new flooring (OPTIONAL)
· Install cabinets
· Install under-cabinet lighting
· Install trim (cabinet crown, kickboards, floor trim, etc.)
· Install new countertops
· Install back splash
· Install plumbing (sinks, disposal, insta-hot water, etc.)
· Install appliances

Funny how "Build cabinets" is just one small line item.

Looks like progress will continue to be slow for the next few weeks, given delays and ongoing distractions. Still looking forward to starting some actual action (and having some photos to post).

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Well, the saw parts showed up yesterday!

Alas, certain critical parts apparently weren't included in the order compiled by HD. No screws/bolts/washers. Missing piece to connect the two front fence rail pieces. No front rail mounting bracket. Etc. I took a detailed inventory of what I didnt' have (using downloaded owner manual), and my HD contact agreed to order the remaining pieces pronto.

Meanwhile, with saw wrenches in hand, I had the Ridgid contractor return today to work on the arbor. Tested it, and it passed -- no repair required.

Saw milestone: Finally turned the darn thing on! Sweet!!! With a 400+ granite table top, the thing runs SMOOTH.

Meanwhile, waiting for the rest of the parts.
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OUCH! That musta hurt! And imagine a blue streak was emitted at the time of injury. Great details! Keep up the good work.
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excellent thread. I really admire your electricl plans, Id like to try and do the same for my place.....One day
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Old 02-13-2010, 12:55 AM   #60
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That is on great looking saw. Your fence will be the key item for accurate cuts. dorf dude...

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