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Old 06-10-2010, 02:54 AM   #166
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During one of our renovations years ago, we used sealant alone on a temporary instillation of our sink, which turned out to last 7 months, and it NEVER leaked, or gave us any problems at all. If you get the right sealant, you just can't go wrong.

When we finally got our new countertop, a huge 12' L shaped one, we used the same sealer (and bolts) and never looked back, or worried again.

I was feeding at least 8 people 3 times a day at that time, so you can just imagine how much our sink was used.

I sure hope you find the sink you need, or that you can get that countertop cut out. Let us know what happens. There are always pickles to deal with, but I have to say, your work still looks great.

You shold be proud of it, that's for sure. !!!!

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Old 06-10-2010, 08:35 PM   #167
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Hi Dan...sorry to hear about the troubles with both the table saw and the sink.

I wonder if the number on our package was for Canadian consumption? The label is printed in both French and English, a concession to our French pals in Quebec.

I would be inclined to think that front and back bolts will do an adequate job for you. What I would do would be to put a really healthy bead of sealant around the sink - two actually. One bead right on the upside down sink, and the other on the counter top.

Put one on about 10 minutes before the other. Set the sink in place but don't tighten up the bolts yet. Give it about an hour to settle itself...by this time the sealant will be partially cured (see what it says on the label for cure time) then snug the bolts up.

If any sealant chooses to sneak outside the sink, now would be the time to clean it up.

Any more news on your nuclear explosion?
I'll follow your recommendations on the sealant. Thanks for the guidance!

I got conflicting news on the gas pipeline explosion. Early reports were that 3 were killed and 10 missing. Next morning, only one killed, and one missing -- much better! Apparently a utility crew were drilling holes for new power line poles, and somehow screwed up by drilling in the wrong place. The company apparently did the appropriate checks ahead of time, but the crew may have been sub-contractors who didn't follow proper procedures. The drilling truck was blow into two pieces, the closest of which ended up only 200 feet away...

Just glad the incident wasn't at Comanche Peak Nuclear Plant, which was only about 10 miles away. That would have been a more dicey situation, for sure.
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Old 06-10-2010, 08:43 PM   #168
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Shiela, thanks for the kind comments. I'm glad your sink worked out so well, and hope mine ultimately does too!

This morning I started out early (rare for me) and motivated. I got the hole cut out for the sink, using a downward-toothed jigsaw blade. The tooth direction avoids ripping the laminate off the board, and makes for a very clean cut.

Sink fits in the hole well, but no lip available for clamps on the sides, as expected. However, the sink lip itself is a little bowed up on the sides (tried to capture in the photo).
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So I figured I needed side clamps, anyway. Evaluating the situation, I figured I could simply make some notches for the clamps. I drilled and chiseled out a small hole where the side cabinet wall meets the cut-out countertop, and viola: A place for the clamp to fit! One notch in the middle of each side ought to do it.

Next step was to install the faucets (main kitchen faucet, plus insta-hot faucet) and drain basket into the sink (much easier before installing the sink itself). I'm using the same faucet that was on the old sink, since it had only been in place less than a year.

...However, I forgot that, when I un-installed the faucet back in December, one of the plastic threaded nuts that held the faucet in place had cracked when removing, and I'd never replaced it.

So, the morning's momentum and energy came to a screeching halt. Now I had to go out shopping before I could continue. However, other priorities came up (lots going on in prep for return to working life), and I ended up being diverted for the rest of the day.

Of course, the night is somewhat young (only 9pm as I write). I might get some done before crashing tonight -- we'll see......
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:26 PM   #170
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Well...good news - sort of - about that explosion. Still and all one person being killed is one too many.

Good job on the extra side clamps...nothing to worry about there any more.

Let's hope you managed to get the replacement nut before the store closed!

How many more days is it now before you return to the working world?
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Of course, the night is somewhat young (only 9pm as I write). I might get some done before crashing tonight -- we'll see......
Nope. Gathered a few parts and supplies together, but never got started -- too many distractions, and too tired. Tomorrow is another day (but not many left).

Keith, in answer to your question: I begin work on the 21st, but have to hit the road earlier. I have less than a week left as a DIYer.
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Nope. Gathered a few parts and supplies together, but never got started -- too many distractions, and too tired. Tomorrow is another day (but not many left).

Keith, in answer to your question: I begin work on the 21st, but have to hit the road earlier. I have less than a week left as a DIYer.
Well, then, just to make sure I don't forget to wish you all the best before you go "ALL THE BEST!!"

Do your best to enjoy the last few days having fun!
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Sounds like it's almost time to stop, and spend some time with your wife.

Your sink is looking great, and I love your DIY fix for the clamps.

Now go spend time with the family and enjoy yourself for a few days.

You won't regret it.
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:40 PM   #174
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AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! !
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Got the faucets attached, clamps attached (and screws trimmed down, so the ratchet wrench will reach the nuts), counter laid down with sealant, and finally ready to clamp it down.

But..... the side rims won't bend down flush! Even with my wife almost sitting on the thing, the clamp bent and was ready to break. Still a huge gap!!

Very frustrating. Disassmebled everything, scraped off plumbers putty and sealant, and took the sink back to Lowes. Looked at the other two they had, and bought the one with the least amount of arch on the sides.

Took it home, put it in the hole.........AND SAW THE DENT IN THE LEFT BASIN!!! Looks like this sink had been purchased and returned previously. GADS!!!!

Some days, you wonder why you even get out of bed...........

I'm off to Lowes, again. Bringing the wife to help me look over the last sink, to determine if it's worth trying. If not, we'll need to pick another one, and hope it fits the hole in the countertop.
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...sounds like if it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any at all...
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most days i miss living in the country but days like those i am thankful for moving to the city closer to the store!
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I'm hoping my luck will change this time. Got a different sink, going with a 20 guage instead of the 18 guage we got previously. Ths new one has a flat rim, instead of a rolled-over edge -- should contour much better. Also, I like the clamp system on this one better.

Just making a quick update (only got on the computer to get some unrelated info I need). More later.......... Dan

PS: Keith, sounds like you're also old enough to remember Hee Haw: "Gloom, dispair and agony on me. Deep, dark depression, excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Gloom, dispair and agony on me." That about spelled out my morning!

PPS: Despite living out a ways, I'm only about 5 miles from a Lowes, and 6 from THD. My saw return trip (mentioned in an earlier post) was much longer, since I had to return it to the H.D where I originally bought the saw -- a different town.

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Right! I'm pretty certain I'm older than you are!
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After all the drama/frustration of the morning, the rest of the day actually went okay.

The new sink looks a bit different, with more "stamped fru-fru" than I'd normally prefer, but this wasn't a time for lengthy shopping. We picked it because mostly because the 4th hole (for the Insta-Hot) was better-placed than other options.

Anyway, I really like the different clamping method. The previous sink (or should I say, the previous 3 sinks ) required tightening a nut on a bolt. The bolt was so long, I had to cut it shorter for the socket wrench to reach it; however, by the time it started getting tight, the bolt usually still got in the way. The new sink's clamps use a screw, which worked MUCH better. I cut a few extra notches -- this time in the front -- to help get a better hold, since there wasn't much remaining lip on the front countertop.
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Well, it certainly looks OK, but as we all know it's the wife who needs to be pleased.

Is she happy with it now?

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