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Old 06-07-2010, 12:52 AM   #151
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Also this weekend, I connected the dishwasher drain pipe (it's all about timing ), and I used a hand plane to shave down the top of the face frame a bit. I also patched up the gap areas between old and new face frames with some wood filler -- old stuff that was barely still pliable, but still seemed to do the trick (threw the rest of the stuff away).

Since I still don't have a countertop, I wasn't able to spend time installing the new sink and stuff, as I'd planned. Instead, I started some of the trim work required from ripping out the old laminate flooring. I salvaged most of the quarter-round trim from the cabinets, but replaced all the baseboard trim in the kitchen. I also ripped out and replaced the door trim leading to the utility room, since it had been cut higher for the laminate (and, as usual, done poorly by the former "handy-man-not" owner). My wife caulked the pre-primed trim, and she will paint it later.

Slower overall progress in the kitchen than I expected, but that just allowed me to get more done on other critical projects. Overall, a busy, progressive weekend.
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:56 AM   #152
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I don't suppose it would have been a very good idea to cut the counter in half, would it?
Thought about it, but didn't want the seam -- particularly since I hadn't measured exactly where the kitchen sink would be (and I'd want the seam in the middle of the sink, if needed).

However, if I can't find a good (and quick) deal from a local company, I'll probably end up going to the local big-box for a couple 8' sections, and put the seam where I want it. At least I won't have to travel so far if I go that route...
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:47 AM   #153
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Looks like an A-1 job on the door trim.

Question for you about your floor tiles. Do you have two different colours there - some look grey-greenish, and the others look brownish. Or is that just a trick of the light.

The grey-greenish ones look remarkably similar to those we put on out deck outside the master bedroom.
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:40 PM   #154
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Looks like an A-1 job on the door trim.

Question for you about your floor tiles. Do you have two different colours there - some look grey-greenish, and the others look brownish. Or is that just a trick of the light.

The grey-greenish ones look remarkably similar to those we put on out deck outside the master bedroom.
Hard to get color right in the photos. Here's one from last year (same tile in the utility room, which we uncovered earlier). It's got blue-grey colors, with some green. The edges of the tile have a bit of green in them, and the (very wide) grout is a pale green.

Sounds gross, no? Surprisingly it's not that bad in person. Not the tile (and definitely not the grout) we would have chosen, but it's better than the laminate that was there before (which had dents and chips, plus some buckling from getting wet earlier in life). The tile doesn't come up easily (found that out when I re-tiled the half-bath at the end of the utility room), so we're in no hurry to tackle replacing this floor right now.

My wife's thinking of painting the grout. I thought of staining (since that worked so well for the living room beams). In reality, I think they'll stay the way they are for a while.
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Good news: Found a great deal on a countertop. A local fabricator had this one in his "boneyard," and I got it for a very good price. Since it doesn't have a backsplash, I'm having him make a matching one that will sit on top (which matches how the rest of the kitchen's currently set up).

Turns out the color is perfect for our cabinet and floor colors. It's labeled "sandstone."

A little shimming and adhesive, wait a bit for it to set, then time to cut a hole for the sink. Progress!

(Did I mention the wife's happy? )
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DISTRACTIONS:

I was starting my motorcycle to go get some construction adhesive from the big box. Noticed some loud thunder -- loud enough to hear over my bike (I have after-market pipes; nice loud rumble).

Then I noticed the mushroom cloud.

This is not a normal occurance for a Texas afternoon. Particularly freaky because there's a nuclear plant not too far away.

Turns out some construction crew dug into a burried 36" natural gas pipeline. Three dead so far -- and MANY thousands freaked out!
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Holy smoke as it were. I bet that got your attention in a big rush. That might make our local TV news tonight...
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Tried to install the sink today. Following the instructions, I placed the sink upside-down on the counter, and positioned it properly. I then traced the outline on the counter, removed the sink, and drew a cutting line 1/4" inside the outline.

Before I started cutting, I reviewed the whole outline to assure I had clear cutting underneath.

Nope.

The inside width of my sink cabinet is 32-1/2". The sink was a 33" sink, so the width of the cut required was 32-1/2. Realistically, no room for the jig saw to cut the hole -- particularly since the sink really needed to be a bit more to the right to center with the cabinet front. So, decided to take back the sink to the big blue box, and get a slightly smaller size.

Did you know that 33" appears to be THE industry standard for two-basin kitchen sinks????? I gave up in frustration and returned home.
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Since then I've been thinking that I could have made the side cuts closer-in toward the center, as the sink has plenty of lip. I wouldn't be able to use the sink's clamping system on the sides, but I could either jury-rig an alternative, or just rely on the front and rear clamps and the perimeter sealant.

So, tomorrow I think I'll go buy back that sink and try again.

(Yes, it's been one of those days.....)
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Dan...just because the guy at the store says that is the industry standard, doesn't mean they aren't other sizes. Just means that's all he's got. Might be worth it to make a few phone calls to see if you can't find one an inch or two smaller. It'll save you more frustration.
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Dan...just because the guy at the store says...
What, you think I actually talked to them? Nobody was around. I just looked at all the ones they had on display (plenty), from cheapies to heck-no-I-won't-pay-that-much. Every two-basin model and brand was 33" wide.

But thanks, you raise a good point (as always). I'll make a few calls around to see if I can get something that might fit better. But it will only work if I can get something quickly. The clock is ticking!...
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Morning Dan...don't know if I'm in time to help or not, but when we were looking for our sink, we needed one which was not too wide due to the rather severe curve in the kitchen counter.

The one we bought is 31 1/8" wide by 20 3/8" deep. That includes the lip.

It is model FHP200/3 and the name on the label says Kindred Industries Limited, Midland, ON, Canada L4R 4K9.

Here's the kicker...it says made in USA!

So you might try www.kindred-sinkware.com to see if they have something that might help you. I'm thinking Fedex or UPS overnight from the factory maybe....
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Around posts 48-57, I discussed the Ridgid table saw I purchased to make the kitchen cabinets. I also discussed the fact that all the parts needed to operate the saw didn't get delivered. I had a LONG saga of back-and-forth with THD and Ridgid on the situation, and didn't get enough parts to actually operate the saw until May! Still I've had issues: Missing the proper screws to mount the fence storage brackets, and problems with the two-part fence guide causing the fence to be out of parallel with the blade at certain distances. (Re the final issue, you can see evidence in some of the cabinet photos, where you see burn marks on the edges of some of the cut plywood).

Bottom line: The significant delay caused me to miss my opportunity to build the full kitchen cabinets, and the current product still isn't right.

Resolution? Long story short, THD yesterday agreed to take back the saw and return my money.

The downside? This HD store is 27 miles away (not my closest one), and they refused to pick up the unit. This saw weighs over 400 lbs! I ended up stripping the unit apart as much as possible, but it was still a struggle to get the main part in the back of my pickup. I had the HD guys unload it at the store.

The upside? I'm soon to leave retirement and embark on a new career -- one where I'll be living around the world for the next 10 years or so. Not a situation where I'll need a table saw anytime soon! I've done all I can with the saw, and while I'll miss it, it's great timing to return it for a full refund! (Not that I didn't earn that right, with almost 6 months of ongoing frustration trying to resolve a bad situation).

Anyway, thought I'd share that situation. The saw is gone.

May it end in happier hands.
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Morning Dan...don't know if I'm in time to help or not, but when we were looking for our sink, we needed one which was not too wide due to the rather severe curve in the kitchen counter.

The one we bought is 31 1/8" wide by 20 3/8" deep. That includes the lip.

It is model FHP200/3 and the name on the label says Kindred Industries Limited, Midland, ON, Canada L4R 4K9.

Here's the kicker...it says made in USA!

So you might try www.kindred-sinkware.com to see if they have something that might help you. I'm thinking Fedex or UPS overnight from the factory maybe....
Keith, thanks for the lead! I checked out their web site, and all their two-basin sinks appeared to be 33". I did a search on the FHP200/3 model, but it wasn't there. I even called them, but apparently too late for their business hours (my assumption, after 25 minutes awaiting "the next available operator"). A Google search showed a number of units for sale in Canada in March, but no leads on anything here -- or recent.

I finally broke down and re-purchased the sink. Talked to a (seemingly competent) plumber guy at the blue box, and he thought that anchoring the front and back, combined with sealant, should be plenty to adequately secure the sink.

We'll see tomorrow. Didn't have time to start install tonight. Closer I get to departure time, less time I seem to have for working on DIY projects!....
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Hi Dan...sorry to hear about the troubles with both the table saw and the sink.

I wonder if the number on our package was for Canadian consumption? The label is printed in both French and English, a concession to our French pals in Quebec.

I would be inclined to think that front and back bolts will do an adequate job for you. What I would do would be to put a really healthy bead of sealant around the sink - two actually. One bead right on the upside down sink, and the other on the counter top.

Put one on about 10 minutes before the other. Set the sink in place but don't tighten up the bolts yet. Give it about an hour to settle itself...by this time the sealant will be partially cured (see what it says on the label for cure time) then snug the bolts up.

If any sealant chooses to sneak outside the sink, now would be the time to clean it up.

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