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Old 06-02-2010, 10:36 AM   #136
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Mornin' Dan...you know, it's only a mistake if you can't fix it.

^^ so true...

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Old 06-02-2010, 09:50 PM   #137
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Mornin' Dan...you know, it's only a mistake if you can't fix it.
My thought: It's only a disaster if you can't fix it, but a mistake is a mistake.

Okay, maybe I was being a bit hard on myself yesterday (and a bit today ). I figured out what caused the measurement error (used the wrong reference point on the old cabinet). I'm really wishing I could have tossed the old cabinets and built totally new ones -- would have been much easier! But (alas), also would have taken too much time.

No renovation work done today, due to other priorities. Tomorrow's another day (but not many left...).
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:53 PM   #138
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Since I got no DIY work done today, thought I'd follow Cocobolo's lead and throw in some flower photos.

Don't ask me what they are (that's my wife's department). Of course, being a Texan, I do know that the last ones are Texas Bluebonnets!
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The first three are irises.
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:12 PM   #140
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The first three are irises.
Thanks! Don't tell my wife I didn't know that -- she'd slap me.

When it comes to flowers, what I lack in knowledge, I make up for with ignorance.
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...nobody can accuse you of not having a sense of humor!
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...nobody can accuse you of not having a sense of humor!
Ya gotta have a sense of humor to be me!
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:48 PM   #143
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Made some good progress today!

Firstly, tackled the plumbing problem with the dish washer. Went shopping and got a coupling, then cut the copper tubing a few inches from the dishwasher connection, and coupled the copper to the new flex tubing.

So far, so good. Had to wait until pressure was restored to test, but that would be later in the day.
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:03 PM   #144
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Next step was to prepare the new sink cabinet for installation. I took careful measurements, and marked the back of the cabinet for the numerous holes I had to make for plumbing and electrical.

I used various sized hole saws, as needed. First, I drilled pilot holes from the back of the cabinet for all holes to be drilled. I then started the hole from the back for a little bit, then started from the inside to complete the hole. This allowed me to minimize any plywood rip-out when the hole saw exited.

(If you look closely, you can see that I didn't completely follow this technique for the first hole; I didn't use the hole saw some on the back first, and I had a LONG strip of rip-out as a result. Fortunately it was the back of the cabinet, so only you and I will ever know. )

After all the holes were prepared, I shut off the house water so that I could remove the shutoff valves before installing the cabinets. It was at that point that I realized that the holes I'd cut for the water supply lines would fit around the pipes, but NOT around the nut for the shutoff valves -- which are compression fittings, where the nut cannot be removed.

So, I had to drill bigger holes. Fortunately, Cocobolo's thread recently covered how to handle this. I cut a larger hole in a scrap of wood, then placed this over the smaller hole that needed enlarging. This allowed me to cut the bigger hole without the hole saw jumping all over the place. Thanks, Keith, for yet another timely piece of advice!
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:27 PM   #145
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Although I'd opened all plumbing fixtures upstairs and down, to relieve pressure and empty the pipes, I still had water trickling out of the cold water supply line after two hours! I had to use the faithful old standby: A wadded-up-bread plug. Works every time.

I also had to cut off the drain pipe. Hack saw -- no problemo.

Now I was ready to finally put the new cabinet in place. After inserting all the flexible parts (electric cables, dishwasher supply and drain lines), I carefully moved the cabinet into place and attempted to slip the holes over the plumbing stubs, and........ -- it fit like a glove! Amazing, my "careful measurements" finally worked as planned. No "I'm an idiot" comments today.

With minimal shimming, I was able to screw the cabinet into the wall.

There was a bit of a gap between the upper-left-forward corner of the cabinet and the support board going over the front of the dish washer. I bridged the gap with a small scrap of plywood, using glue and a couple 1.5" brads.
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:45 PM   #146
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I next re-installed the old cabinet section to the right of the new sink cabinet -- very straight forward, particularly since it needed no shimming.

However, the face frame from the old cabinet overlaps over the new cabinet, and there was a bit of a gap there. To resolve it, I drilled and counter-sunk some holes to screw the old face frame to the new cabinet. (Keith, as you can see, the crappy Craftsman counter-sink bits worked okay here). Two screws, and the face frame and cabinet were flush.

Now for the new face frame. As you can see more clearly in the photos, the overlapping old face frame makes up the right side of the new face frame. To attach, I used biscuits where the upper-two horizontal pieces attached to the old frame. For the lowest piece, it was too small for biscuits, so I simply secured it to the new cabinet using a couple spaced-out biscuits. Before final assembly, I glued all contact points (frame-to-frame, frame-to-cabinet). Once glued and assembled, I used some small brads to hold it all together while the glue set.

Now, when I originally removed the old cabinet, I had to cut the face frame where it connected to the original sink cabinet. Since I wasn't planning to save anything, I wasn't careful with the cut. As a result, I took out too much material, leaving a bit of a gap where the two upper frame members now attach. I'll fill this with some kind of filler (wood filler or caulk, haven't decided).

(Sorry if too wordy; at least there're plenty of photos........)
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:01 AM   #147
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Finally, just some touch-up issues. Installed the outlet in the cabinet for the insta-hot-water dispenser. Got all the plumbing fixtures re-attached (except for the drain, which I'll do tomorrow), and turned the water back on.

...and ran into the only bad situation of the day. The new supply line for the dishwasher works fine, but there's now a leak where the old copper tube attaches to the dishwasher!

However, the flex line I bought was actually part of a "kit," and the bag of couplings included a 90 degree brass fitting that looks exactly like the one on the dishwasher that the copper tube's attached to. If I can remove the old fitting from the dishwasher, I should be able to replace it, and attach the flex tube directly to it.

That, also, I'm leaving for tomorrow.

Overall, I'm quite pleased with today's progress. We also had time to do some shopping today at the orange and blue big box stores, and we bought a new sink, disposal and some odds n ends. Tomorrow I'm driving into the city (Ft. Worth) to pick up a 12' stretch of laminate countertop (from a distressed inventory outlet), which should fit perfectly over this stretch of cabinets. It won't match the rest of the kitchen, but there's no time left to worry about it. At some point we'll replace all the countertops with something nice; for now, we need something to hold the kitchen sink and our "stuff," so this one's temporary.

Now, time to enjoy a cold one!
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:20 AM   #148
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Been so busy this weekend, haven't even had time to post anything. Alas, not all of it was related to the kitchen work.

All day today, for example, was working on the duct work and ceiling fan re-wire/relocation for the master bedroom. Could've done a whole new thread on that work, but didn't take any photos. Just as well, probably would have ruined the camera due with heat and dust. Today's temps were over 100F outside, and the attic was worse! The good news was that we had plenty of water, and ultimately everything was accomplished satisfactorily!
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Meanwhile, I'm a bit disappointed in our kitchen progress. I did go to town for the 12' kitchen countertop, but there was no way to haul it back home in my 6' pickup bed. Could have made it a couple miles on slow roads, but not 50+ miles on fast-moving highways! Plan now is to look for a more-local fabricator on Monday. (No time to do my own laminate work, alas).

I did get the dishwasher working, finally. Had to disconnect the water pump and take it out to the shop to get that 90 degree fitting off. Once I did, I put everything back together (including the new fitting), hooked the supply line, and everything was water-tight.

...then I had another IDIOT moment. Not trusting a static test, I decided to run a quick rinse cycle on the washer, to see if the pump would stay water-tight. Ran it for a minute, worked fine, and I decided to shut the washer off.

Unfortunately...I have an old dial-operated machine, and when I tried to turn the dial to go to the off postion, I dialed through the drain cycle, and it started draining. Fine, except THE DRAIN WASN'T CONNECTED YET!!

First clue? Water gushing on the floor from the right.

My wife heard me yelling, and immediately came to the rescue with some towels, while I opened the door of the machine to shut it off (which I should've done to start with) and ran for a bucket to catch the rest coming out the hose.

Funny now, but somehow not at the time..........
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:43 AM   #150
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I don't suppose it would have been a very good idea to cut the counter in half, would it?

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