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Old 07-25-2010, 09:17 AM   #76
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Do you have a filter screen on your drain hole? I was considering that it could easily get clogged with ash ect... Just an observation, dorf dude...

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^I didnt put a screen over it. If it ever gets clogged, I'll just put the 0-deg attachment on the pressure washer and shoot down the hole to unclog

Well I got a nice little score today! The neighbors about 5-6 houses down had some logs and brush out front. I asked them if they were throwing it out and if they minded if I hauled some of it off for them. So here's what I was able to get.... there was quite a bit left but most of the remaining were odd shaped and too large for me to handle by myself or fit in the trunk (lined with towels of course!).





They just need cleaned up a bit and possibly split.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:28 PM   #78
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Yesterday afternoon I finished filling the patio area with sand and started to lay down a few of the stones and level them. They say not to obsess with the pattern much but its pretty hard not to.



I've got it covered right now because it is supposed to rain this afternoon. But if it doesnt, I'll get back out and lay some more down.
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Old 07-26-2010, 05:42 PM   #79
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Maybe I missed it...but is there going to be a path between the pit & house ?
It appears to be pretty far from the house...maybe just the pic
I think I'd want it closer to the house ?

Nice work
Wish I had an area I could put a setup like that
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Maybe I missed it...but is there going to be a path between the pit & house ?
It appears to be pretty far from the house...maybe just the pic
I think I'd want it closer to the house ?

Nice work
Wish I had an area I could put a setup like that
Thanks very much! If there is any flagstone left, I plan to do some sort of stepping stone path from the deck out to the firepit. It is a little ways out from the house, but I put it there becuase that area gets shade much earlier in the day that up near the house.

BTW, I'm really struggling with placement of these stones. I put some down, and go back and forth over wether I'm happy with where they are! Any suggestions or tips on placement? Also, should I cut the edge around the patio so it is a smooth even edge or should I leave it natural and jagged? I've got some placed that already have slight curves that fit the curve of the patio pretty nicely, but I'm not sure that the pieces that just happen to have that curve, look best lined up around the perimeter. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to at least cut the edges of the pit cap since its a much tighter circle and probably for a bit of a safety reason (sharp edges a foot or so off the ground). Thanks in advance for any tips and opinions
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I just ran across a website with a photo gallery of tile stuff...and he has a few pix of something like what you are up to. You have to scroll down aways, but this fellow is really good. Might give you an idea or two.

http://www.arnzentile.com/photogallery.html
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^ Wow, he is really really good.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:18 AM   #83
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Any suggestions or tips on placement?

Start sawing!!!!

Also, should I cut the edge around the patio so it is a smooth even edge or should I leave it natural and jagged?

2 options IMO:
- Leave the edges natural, and do both the FP cap and outside border of patio first, so you can utilize the best edges.
- Cap the wall with a cap that matches the wall block, and butt the flag into the backside of cap. More sawing, but less fitting.

I've got some placed that already have slight curves that fit the curve of the patio pretty nicely, but I'm not sure that the pieces that just happen to have that curve, look best lined up around the perimeter. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to at least cut the edges of the pit cap since its a much tighter circle and probably for a bit of a safety reason (sharp edges a foot or so off the ground). Thanks in advance for any tips and opinions
Have you tried chiseling the stone yet? I doubt it will work well looking at the actual stone, but if it does, you will have more options on the FP cap.

I can't re-iterate enough, don't be scared to saw 2/3 of the way from the back and snap them at the face. You're going to need 10 ton of stone and a hell of alot of patience to piece this together w/o sawing 90% of the stone.

Here's what works for me: Turn the artistic mind off and just start cutting like you're a robot. Try to think ahead to the next stone, and the one after that when placing. Don't work yourself into a situation were you have to cut un-natural pieces because you didn't use a little forsight. I know, easier said than done, but it can take years to get proficeint at natural stone work.


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Wow...it looks dangerously like it to me that jomama just might have done this once or twice! Very nice indeed.
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I think I might go with option 1. I dont like the idea of those cheap edgers being visible from the top when I could have a nice natural looking stone. I was actually planning on taking your advice on sawing through 2/3, but I was mainly trying to reserve that for the inside cuts that will be covered with mortar and not the outer edge. It might end up looking better I cut the outer edge too though so there is a uniform curve. I guess my main problem is obsessing over the pattern. Things like, do I have too many large stones in this area, are the stones TOO large, are there too many shaped like a triangle in this area... stuff like that... its driving me nuts!
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Wow...it looks dangerously like it to me that jomama just might have done this once or twice! Very nice indeed.
Thanks, maybe once or twice.............


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I think I might go with option 1. I dont like the idea of those cheap edgers being visible from the top when I could have a nice natural looking stone. I was actually planning on taking your advice on sawing through 2/3, but I was mainly trying to reserve that for the inside cuts that will be covered with mortar and not the outer edge. It might end up looking better I cut the outer edge too though so there is a uniform curve. I guess my main problem is obsessing over the pattern. Things like, do I have too many large stones in this area, are the stones TOO large, are there too many shaped like a triangle in this area... stuff like that... its driving me nuts!

I was actually thinking you should lay the outer edge first so you can leave a natural edge, but it's your's, and you doing the work, so you should do what pleases you. I just personally think if you're using stone in the first place, you should accept that the edge will be natural an by no means perfect. Just try to keep a somewhat uniform overhang around the whole thing, like something between 3/4" to 1 1/2".

Michael, don't sweat it, it WILL drive you crazy if you let it. I can guarantee from here that you'll be happy with the end product. Just try to turn your mind off and start SAWING!

BTW, in the pics I posted, I'd say we cut 95% of the stone in one way or another. No stone has immunity from the saw, except the revealed edge at the steps or caps. In the one pic of the curving wall cap, you can see I even cut the square corner stone after not finding what I needed. I just used a bushing hammer to get rid of the sawed edge.
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I was actually thinking you should lay the outer edge first so you can leave a natural edge, but it's your's, and you doing the work, so you should do what pleases you. I just personally think if you're using stone in the first place, you should accept that the edge will be natural an by no means perfect.

This is exactly what I've done! Glad to hear I was at least on the right track from a pro's point of view. I'll snap a pick of the outer edge that I had so far on my lunch break. Then perhaps you could let me know if I need better size or shape variation along my outer edge.

I just used a bushing hammer to get rid of the sawed edge.

I may just try and to this as well!
Thanks again, I'll get that pic up of the outer edge so far and look forward to your feedback.
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OK, pics for feedback





View standing on the pit:

So, do the pieces look ok the way they are? Or are some too big, too similar shaped, etc. I was thinking I would cut the edges (where the stones touch, not the part that hangs off the wall) so that they come together a little more than just at a point. I was also thinking I would probably cut that one really large piece a little bit.
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OK, pics for feedback

So, do the pieces look ok the way they are? Or are some too big, too similar shaped, etc. I was thinking I would cut the edges (where the stones touch, not the part that hangs off the wall) so that they come together a little more than just at a point. I was also thinking I would probably cut that one really large piece a little bit.

Thats exactly what I would do.

Lets see if this works : Red lines are what I would cut in this example for sure.


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The green line is approximate, and the only reason I would cut it is that you probably won't find a piece that sharp that will fit, or even look right. You could easily find a stone that fits well against the blue line, and that's where you would cut/trim your green line.
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^ WOW, I really appreciate the effort you put towards that. Those ones in the sand that arn't along the edge, I just kinda tossed in to get some of them out of the grass. But yes, I will definitely get to sawing this afternoon and see what I can come up with. I'll post a pic again tonight once I'm finished.

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