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Old 07-12-2011, 07:11 AM   #16
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Looking good! I used to build log homes. It was a lot of fun.

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Old 07-13-2011, 06:09 PM   #17
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shumakerscott it was mainly cost. We had a choice of waiting another year or 2 and getting a loft too with a catherdrail roof or start last year and get into the house sooner.
So we did the closed truss roof instead.
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Nice rolling hills. Odd the Building Department didn't require perimeter slab insulation or a vapor barrier (unless the soil didn't warrant it- looks very sandy). Find your Zone on map or city below map: http://publicecodes.citation.com/ico...001_par001.htm

Slab insulation for your zone: http://publicecodes.citation.com/ico..._11_sec002.htm

V.b.: http://publicecodes.citation.com/ico...006_par004.htm

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Beautiful! Thanks for showing us!

Sorry to see the stain peeling like that. It's a shame to have to re-do such a big job after just one year. Do you remember what brand it was?

When I saw the picture with the white house in the background, I thought, "The people in that house must be wondering why their neighbors built so close to them".

I'm looking forward to seeing the progress of the whole house, but especially your craft room when it's finished.

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Well Gary you missed the fights last year over several issues.
I won luckily. Hubby wanted cheap and I wanted done correctly.

What you can not see unless you look closely at the picture where the roof is going on the foundation walls have a sprayed on water vapor covering that was done before the backfill. It was sprayed right over the footings, it is similar to a sprayed in bedliner. We also put down washed gravel and weeping tile on the 3 sides.
Yes it is sandy soil. It has cretaious sandstone under it. It was so hard the excavator could not get to the depth required and we had to move the house 3 feet to the west.
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logluvr...do you know what kind of trees your builder used to cut your logs from?
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gma2rjc it was Benjamin Moore Arborcoat stain.

cocobolo I would have go digging for the papers, but I know there was 3 species of trees. Lodge pole pine and spruce. I have no idea where the inspection papers are filed away, but I do know there is 1 more species of tree there.
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thanks for sharing...beautiful!
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:38 PM   #24
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Why did the stain peel off? I would be really pissed of about that. More pictures! dorf dude...
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Yes we are very ticked off.
Our builder belives the stain was frozen in trasport.
BM is blaming us.
The place we bought it from is giving us the run around.

Have some guys coming on Thursday to media blast the stain off. Going to cost us around $5500 to get it off.
I'll get some pics of that. Gotta remember this is a work in progress. We work on it when our full time jobs do not interfere.
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logluvr...the manufacturers (Ben M in this case) will always try to blame the customer. It seems to be their first line of defense. I took a look at their website last night and watched a video they have there. It would seem - according to them anyway - that their product is almost indestructible. Just what are they claiming you did?

And $5500 to take it off??? I don't know the size of your walls, but it looks like you have about 1,000 square feet of log area, give or take. You could correct me on that one. Have you looked into alternative methods of removal? Something that might cost a whole lot less perhaps? They are charging you $5 a square foot. That seems awfully high to me.

If you are going to have to foot the bill for a possibly faulty product, I think the least you should do would be to check with your lawyer.

I don't know about you, but it really burns me to see folks getting the shaft like this. It would be great if you could find a better solution.
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How about some type of brush on a grinder? Hire a couple general laborers to knock it out. That is a sh!t load of money to do a re-do. I wouldn't ever buy their product again and I would slam them with negative publicity on the net. Be very vocal about this. You should not be the one to carry the burden. dorf dude...
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cocobolo they are bringing scaffolding and several different types of grit and products to see which would work the best at removing the stain.
Just the 2-3 guys and travel is $1000. We are 70 miles from the closest town that has the guys to do it.
The wall are 50 feet in length and 9 feet high.
It is more of an estimate then anything. The company is hoping to come in under that price.

BM is claiming we applied a product that had an oil or wax or silicone in it and that caused it to keep the stain from penetrating. it was to protect the logs from insects and mold.
What we used was Board Defense. I contacted them and I visted with the Vice President of the company that makes it and they were not happy hearing that BM was blaming their product.
I got a letter from him explaining what is in their product and there is nothing in it in the way of wax, oil or silicone.

I tried the BM stain remover that the customer service recommended and bleah is my best response to how it looked afterwards.

Our small claims court limitations is $7000.
BM does not have a rep here and small claims does not cross state lines. Their nearest rep is in Boulder, CO.
Already talked to a lawyer.

scott they are already being blasted all over the internet. I'm not the only person who has the stain peeling off.
been talking to everyone I know and they have said they will never buy their products after this.

This is how the logs looked like after the stain remover. Bleah!


Before the remover
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Oboy...thanks for the info logluvr. It doesn't seem to matter which way you turn, the cards are stacked against you.

Being 70 miles from nowhere doesn't help either. I can sympathize with that, as we live on a small island so everything is a logistical nightmare to get here.

I think if it was my place (and yes, I know it isn't...) what I would do would be to remove any of the loose stain, and then apply a top quality solid hide stain like Cabot for example. No, I don't work for them either...

It may take awhile, but I would try a combination of one of those metal finger gadgets which fits in a drill and a random orbital sander with 36 grit on it to remove the offending product.

I have a horrible feeling that a clear type of coating on your logs is never going to work. Looking as closely as possible, it seems that where ever there is a small crack in the log, the finish has failed. That may not be the fault of the finish, it's hard to say.

I'm always interested in doing forensic type work on buildings, it's amazing what you learn once you figure out what the problem was. I sure do hope you can see what happened in the end..and if you DO find out, please let us know. Lots of folks are interested in this one.
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If I were you, I'd try an EECB (Executive Email Carpet Bomb). There are plenty of examples of this working in the past.

Check out: http://consumerist.com/2007/05/how-t...rpet-bomb.html

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