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Old 05-17-2008, 09:07 PM   #31
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ok, whoever thought it was a good idea to GLUE underlay to the floor needs a good boot to the nards..

this is a lot of time consuming work.. wetting.. scraping.. and repeat.

not sure if the floor is salvageable but at least it won't have potentially dangerous material and nobody in the future will have to deal with it.


coming to the end now thank goodness! i'll post some pictures tomorrow so you can help me decide to proceed or lay down some plywood

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Old 05-19-2008, 09:04 AM   #32
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ok.. the floor scraping is done and all the grey felt underlay is gone. you can see that the wood is stil mostly chocolate brown colour.. this is from a fine layer of glue that i couldn't scrap off. this will have to be sanded off.

in the top right corner you can see some wood that did not have felt under it. notice each strip of hardwood is a different colour, light/dark/light/dark. that's interesting. must have taken them a long time to do back in the day.

next up --> remove old plumbing, add new plumbing (with dishwasher extension) and a vent.


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Old 05-20-2008, 08:04 PM   #33
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good luck man. looks like a lot of work.
i hope my kitchen isn't this bad in the house i'm buying.

got a few nice chuckles out of your writing.

how old is your house?

thanks.
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:23 PM   #34
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it really depends on who reno'd your house 30 years ago.. was it

a) jimmy with a hammer?

or

b) someone who cared?

sorry... i'm frustrated. i just took the drywall off where i need to run the vent to roof and i see so many problems with how this house was reno'd in the past... open another can of worm because i can't just leave it. i'll post pictures tomorrow (batteries are dead in the camera from all the pics i took!) with some discussion.

my house is 90 years old. what i love about old houses is:
-it is the character
-unique layout
-overbuilt everything (atleast originally) including massive foundation
-materials used like hardwood floors & trim (nothing flatter than a stucco wall)
- opportunity to DIY customize the house to your exact design without it costing arm + leg
-nice community
-huge yard

what i don't like about old houses:
- some materials need to be removed (like knob&tube wiring or grey felt underlay!)
- lack of exterior foundation water drainage (thankfully my basement has never seen water)
- small basement, only 5'5 deep
- previous owners who didn't follow code, or at least TRY to follow code

everything that is in my "don't like" pile is fixable though, so that's really another plus. but it takes a lot of hard work & time (i barely scratched the surface of all the work wife and i did on this house with my posts on this message board).

anyway.. i'm probably going to need some advice on this vent. check back tomorrow for pictures.

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Old 05-21-2008, 10:16 PM   #35
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here are a list of issues i see with this windows.. this is from a non-pro and first glance.

let's play "eye spy with my little eye"

1) the 4x4 studs from the floor do not support the window.. the two are cut short and serve no purpose.

2) the horizontal wood under the window does not extend to the side joists and the 4x4 studs to not reach it either (what is holding it in place? is it nailed to the exterior sheathing?)

3) the studs along each side of the window do NOT extend to the ceiling.. that's wierd.. but i guess that' what happens when you buy standard 8' 2x4 and you realize the room has 9' ceiling!

4) vapour barier is not tied in at the top or bottom and no tuct tape.. might as well not even be here

i hope the picture improves when i remove the pink insulation and see what is really going on..





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Old 05-24-2008, 01:19 PM   #36
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thankfully it wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be..

there is a wood structure holding the window in place (see below the window).

the side wood framing which does NOT extent to the ceiling.. i was thinking of just tying them in to the studs that are near by using horizontal 2x4. probably not needed as the window has been fine for many decades.. but still..

when i pulled away the pink insulation i see some black lines. (see photo below). i think this is from moisture getting through the pine plank sheathing and then some mold forming. still, its in much better shape than i expected! i will fix this properly be putting house wrap on exterior (but that is a seperate project to be done in a couple of months)

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still am struggling how to do the vent properly. i don't want to touch the wood framing under the window if i can help it.

any thoughts?

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here is my plan.. requires 2 braces so that vent can run horizontal THROUGH two studs..

the GREEN is the vent.




and the BRACE

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Old 05-24-2008, 09:36 PM   #39
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went to HD tonight.. they didn't sell any braces.

need to goto plan B...

but i did by a 3" neoprene roof vent and some roofing tar. i was going to do this job.. but then the hockey game came on --> sorry i'm canadian, must watch the stanely cup!

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took some time off this project to work on another. needed to research, purchase and organize the exterior work planned for later this summer. took some time to do this.

ok back to the kitchen remodel. i supported the one side of the window with a 9ft board floor to ceiling. on the other side i have a 2x6 which is not flush with the wall unfortunately (this sticking out piece will be finished properly inside the cabinet under the sink and not viewable). i'll notch these wood bits so i can sneak a 1.5" vent pipe in there.

i cut a hole in the ceiling took a peak in the attic. surprising how good shape its in. some mold around the edges where the eaves overhang. this is from roof neglect years ago and lack of "ice shield". there's an ice shield now as i had it installed 5 years ago on entire roof.

anyway, now i need to cut a pilot hole to see where this is coming through the roof. and then install the 3" kitchen sink vent through the roof and flash it. this is a bit tricky because my ladder isn't tall enough to reach the roof from inside the kitchen. its just 6' ladder, and the roof is 12ft. away.

with this kitchen ceiling hole cut i can take the time to add some more insulation. will probably just blow in loose celulose.

i'll post details and photos of this process when its ready.
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it has seriously been raining every day. i can't get on the roof to do the vent. but the drain line is intact. i tested it before final connection in the basement by dumping a cup of water down the kitchen drain and making sure i got a cup of water out.

all galvenized plumbing removed. wow, now i can walk down my basement stairs without risk of stepping on the plumbing! i can't believe it took someone 50 yrs to fix this. ho hum..

now for the copper plumbing. this is a bit more tricky given little room to work in crawl space.

taking brake to catch up on some school projects & study for exams.. will post again soon.
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yep, crawl space plumbing pretty much sucks.

don't let anyone tell you that plumbers to earn EVERY penny they charge ..
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Heck of a project there knucklez.

Venting that sink might be easier than hacking a hole in your roof if you haven't done that yet. A studor vent could be installed in the back of the cabinet under the sink. That'll usually take care of venting the sink.

If you end up needing to drill through the studs to run a vent, Simpson and USP both manufacture stud shoes that surround the stud on three sides and add strength back to an overdrilled stud. They're attached with 1-1/2" 10d nails.
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thank you for the good advice.

i can not use studor AAV in my case because by code in ontario they must be installed ABOVE the flood rim of sink, not the P-trap... so it would have to be placed in the wall..
but then rule number two comes in, when inside a wall that wall must not be exposed to freezing temeprature... i.e. can not be an external wall. so it's a no go for me.

as for over drilling the stud, i might be OK because the dishwasher is not installed flush to the wall.. it actually has some room and all i need is about 1" so.. should be OK. my counter tops are roughly 25.5" wide + 2" overhang.. and my dishwasher is 22" deep + 2" for door.

so just might have room without having to drill more than 1/2" .. we'll see.

back to plumbing..
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plumbing rough is done. now need to properly plan a kitchen electrical solution. a lot of this was not done to code... too bad the price of copper has gone up! yikes..

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