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Old 04-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #211
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wow, that is brilliant! see why i covet your advice? so simple yet so logical!! why couldnt i just think of that? thank you!

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99% of the time there is a stud on one side of the electrical outlet, then you can measure 16 inches and see if there is another one.
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99% of the time there is a stud on one side of the electrical outlet, then you can measure 16 inches and see if there is another one.
Leiona, Jim is right...except that I think it's 100% of the time!

If your studs are not on 16" centers - which is possible - use the nail trick from the other side of the wall. The small nail holes are dead easy to fill with spackle or anything similar.

Something else you might consider.

Instead of using just a single shelf, have you thought about using two shelves - but joining the ends together to make a sort of open box affair. Add a back to the shelves, and then you don't need any brackets at all. You can screw right through the back directly to the studs.

I made a very basic shelf unit in our small cabin here just using something like a 1 x 2 under the shelves, which I screwed to the wall. I can show you a pic if you like.

Makes it easy to mount without needing brackets hanging down.
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i would like to see a pic of that unit because i really didnt want to use brackets to begin with but all my dishes are goin to go on the shelves so i want them to be super strong. i chose the open shelving so the wall color could be visible behind the dishes and i wanted to look super simple and clean, i felt that if i went with a box type shelving unit i might as well just put in upper cabinets. i am so stubborn!
all these ideas are excellent though thanks guys!
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leiona, there is another reason that you don't want to use brackets...they're not as strong.

Wall cabinets, because they have a back and are boxes, transfer the force into a largely straight up and down force, along the wall. Shelves with brackets, on the other hand, place a lever force on the shelf, trying to bend it down. You would need some serious, serious brackets (more like big triangles, actually) to hold a shelf full of heavy plates and be confident it would last.

I would definately take Keith's advice on the box idea.

And I would go ahead and do the nail stuff on the wall. After all, it's going to be covered with backsplash shortly. So what if it has a few pinholes in it.
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leiona, there is another reason that you don't want to use brackets...they're not as strong.

Wall cabinets, because they have a back and are boxes, transfer the force into a largely straight up and down force, along the wall. Shelves with brackets, on the other hand, place a lever force on the shelf, trying to bend it down. You would need some serious, serious brackets (more like big triangles, actually) to hold a shelf full of heavy plates and be confident it would last.

I would definitely take Keith's advice on the box idea.

And I would go ahead and do the nail stuff on the wall. After all, it's going to be covered with backsplash shortly. So what if it has a few pinholes in it.
That is so true. It is very easy to get an awful lot of weight sitting on those shelves.
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I took some random pics of the shelves in the cabin for you to try and see how it was done.

Pretty straight forward really. I realize they aren't quite as finished as you might like to have on your wall, but they are strong, easy to do, and easy to mount.

You should be able to see how I put what looks like a 1 x 2 under each shelf to stiffen it, although the wood was plenty strong by itself. It is that 1 x 2 which you can screw directly on to your studs.

You won't even notice any screws after awhile...you'll be so happy just to have a shelf!
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i do like the shelves in your cabin coco ...i wish i hadnt bought 40$ worth of brackets at ikea already, and 20$ worth of those useless butterfly clips. i cannot find the reciepts! i guess the reason i was going to go with brackets was because i have to use brackets under part of my countertop where it peninsulas and also under the pass through, and i figured it would all match if i bracketed the shelves. plus the bracketed shelves i saw in kitchens while scouring the internet for ideas were by far my favorite. I am going to look for the studs from the bathroom on the other side of the wall and if i dont like the possible position of the brackets i will likely try to build a box style shelving system like yours..which will require me to buy more wood UGH. this kitchen project is way more expensive than i hoped it would be. But i know in the end it will be worth it, whatever i do, because you saw what i started with....UG-LY!
thanks for the pics CB!!
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Leiona, the two most expensive rooms in any house are always the kitchen and the bathroom.

Believe it or not, it isn't uncommon for some kitchens to run in excess of $100,000.00 a shot.
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i know poppybolo but I'm still pouting
So anyways, i unheeded all of your kind advice and went with the bracket system..no way was i getting stuck with all those brackets! I had to use them. so I did what you said and found my studs via the bathroom wall, and let me tell ya..how surprised was i to find each of the first studs from the corner to be set at 14 inches from the corner!? i had to make a million little holes in the bathroom wall but i found them and found a way to make the brackets look fairly centered and well spaced. please dont stop giving me advice just because i dont always follow it...i still write it all down!
so here is my progress thus far this rainy cold sunday afternoon.....
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now tell me they are not cute
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OK, if you insist...they are not cute.

Actually, I think they look pretty good. Just keep an eye out for any bending or pulling away from the wall. If you have good strong screws in there, you should be OK. If - as you think - there might be an inch of drywall on that surface, be sure to allow sufficient length of screw to go through the bracket, plus the drywall, plus about another 1 1/2" into the studs.

I think I would be using about 3" #12 screws, possibly even #14. How many screws are holding each bracket?
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I'm impressed with your remodel so far Leiona. These guys are giving good advice about the open shelves. I'd say you are okay if you used long enough screws and don't over load the shelves. I actually have some IKEA shelves up in our kitchen too. I wasn't as lucky to find studs and I ended up having to uses some special anchors. But it has almost been 3 years and they are holding up really well. I have a lot of weight on mine too. I was very reluctant to put too much on but it seems to be holding really well.

The pic below is from when we first put them up. On a typical day, we have 6 of those large plates, plus 6 smaller ones and 6 of those bowls. The other shelve usually have 4 different size nesting glass bowls plus a few other ceramic dishes up top.

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i have two 2 1/2 inch screws in each bracket but when i take the shelves back down to stain them i will replace each top screw with a 3 inch or larger. every one of the brackets is on a stud except the leftmost bracket on the long shelf so i may reinforce that with wall anchors. and yes, i took a measurement, my drywall plus plaster is 3/4 of an inch thick.
finding the studs on the other wall where i will also put shelves is gonna be much harder since its an exterior wall. do you think that wall will also have its first studs placed 14 inches from the corner? i hope so because i am going to find them with the finishing nail method too but from the "good" side. i dont want a million more holes to patch!
oh and instead of finishing nails, because i'm lazy too, i used my thinnest drill bit and drilled holes until i hit studs. I pushed really hard on the drill and if it gave way after the drywall layer no stud, if i got resistance then there was a stud. i will find my next studs on this exterior wall by doing the "stud find" under the counter line since i have the countertops off right now.
thanks for the pic No1H i like the stainless look. i was going for rustic country kitchen but its looking more like contemporary country kitchen instead. I truly am making it up as i go. none of my original ideas have been used! i dont even know what its gonna look like when its done lol! i guess we will all see

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